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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
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    Just doesn't have the popularity or money yet. I'd almost go as far as calling soccer a niche sport in North America. It's definitely growing, but nowhere near the same popularity as in Europe.
    I would be willing to attend MLS games if it were cheap and close by. But for TV audience, MLS is going to struggle competing against the EPL, Bundisliga and Champions League (Mexican league too) which are all heavily televised in the USA. I mean, we get three EPL games on a Saturday plus two on a Sunday. How can MLS compete against that ?
    Nationally it struggles, but in some markets like Seattle and Atlanta have crazy average attendance numbers well in excess of 40,000.

    I suppose the weaker thing about MLS is that it has been around for decades now, and still haven't won a CONCACAF Champions League. Came close last year, but getting a team into a final is hard enough for the MLS.

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    Thanks for the responses. Spends like the soccer market in Europe is saturated.

    From the games I watched Bundesliga seems more aggressive and energetic than Premier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    I have watched some games over here mostly Bundesliga and Primer leagues.

    I do not see much difference in the level of play, but the I have not watched a lot.

    Only a few times have I seen coordinated play leading to a goal.

    Most of it seems hit or miss.

    Is there a European hierarchy of leagues? Over her we have major leagues and minor leagues. We also have semi-pro football, baseball, and basketball leagues.

    Where does FIFA fit in?

    I do not doubt the physical condition neded for the sport. It sems nea impossible to directly move the ball end to end.

    Are there strategies and specific player roles other than goalie? Seems like it comes down to 1 or 2 players on a team for goals. Blocking is not allowed and I do not see coordinated action by multiple players.
    In America, the weakest, losingest sports team gets first picks in the draft to give them an advantage, while the winners pick last. This helps to make games more competitive.

    From what I understand, most European soccer leagues have no such mechanism and are much more harsh about things. If you screw up badly enough, your team might even be moved to the minor leagues. If you want to build a team back up, you have to do it without some of the little advantages losing teams in America get.

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    I enjoyed Liverpool / Man U on the weekend. It'll be interesting to see what Man U does for the rest of the season as it looks like the pressure's on, and they're a bit disorganized these days.

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    Last team I coached was U15 team in AYSO District 8 Region 71 in West SF valley West of Topanga south of Victory and mostly north of Ventura blvds. Got my Section rating as referee that year, 1999, at age fifty eight after three vascular surgeries.

    Nothing more fun than coaching and refereeing a sport where continuous play is a goal. Unlike baseball or football or basketball one is in bounds until one or the ball is entirely outside the line. "Play on" was my favorite sign and call. Offside trap was my favorite tactical coaching task.

    One of my son's teams actually won a game after one of our players was ejected for committing a 'professional' foul by swatting a goal bound shot away with his hand in the defensive scrum around a free kick. He got free cokes every after game pizza party thereafter.

    Hey, youth league is where kids become pros.

    I've not seen any goal not performed by a kid under the age of 14 in any competition I've witnessed since that time in my life.

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    Last I had anything to do with soccer other than as a spectator was in a 6 a side league at the University of East Anglia in 2005.

    English kids are pretty good. I kept up but for the first time realized I wasn't as good as I thought I was. Good feet, bad coaching in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    I enjoyed Liverpool / Man U on the weekend. It'll be interesting to see what Man U does for the rest of the season as it looks like the pressure's on, and they're a bit disorganized these days.
    Searched 'Manchester United Problems'

    https://www.news18.com/news/sports/l...d-1976209.html

    Liverpool Loss Highlights Problems for Manchester United Brand

    Yet United looked a mediocre, mid-table side as they were quite outclassed. Now, they are 19 points behind Premier League leaders Liverpool, the Merseysiders' biggest advantage over United after 17 games of a top-flight season.

    But the numbers, while alarming enough for United supporters, do not paint the full picture of the vast gulf between the two teams.

    Under Juergen Klopp, last season's Champions League finallists Liverpool are playing a thrilling brand of high-speed, entertaining, positive football, executed by some of the game's most exciting talents. Like the United of old, indeed.

    Jose Mourinho's prosaic, sixth-placed United, in contrast, are 11 points adrift of fourth place so that even qualification for next season's Champions League looks an outside chance at best.

    They have not even been close to winning the title since their last triumph in 2013 and few of the club's fans disagree with former captain Gary Neville's verdict that the club need a "reset".

    So, when do the Glazer family, the club's American owners, press that reset button? And how exactly will they then attempt to turn around the fortunes of the record 20-times English champions.
    Puts an interesting spin on it when your team is a brand, and you have to win to continue the success of the brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Last I had anything to do with soccer other than as a spectator was in a 6 a side league at the University of East Anglia in 2005.

    English kids are pretty good. I kept up but for the first time realized I wasn't as good as I thought I was. Good feet, bad coaching in Canada.
    I know that feeling. I played regularly from a young age for various teams and thought I was good enough I could play pro or semi pro. But once you start playing with really talented players, the gulf is very apparent. But I did learn a lot about the game. One time I was playing in a six a side game and there was an ex pro on the other team, what a player he was. I was taken away at just how good he was. His first touch, turn and shooting made us all look like the donkeys we were. He was in his 40s too and wasn't playing regularly.


    I watched the Liverpool game, Utd were poor. That Utd squad has serious shortcomings from what I saw. Juan Mata is decent player but I believe the Special One is not too keen on him. Lukaku is a donkey. Still streets ahead of me though !

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Last I had anything to do with soccer other than as a spectator was in a 6 a side league at the University of East Anglia in 2005.

    English kids are pretty good. I kept up but for the first time realized I wasn't as good as I thought I was. Good feet, bad coaching in Canada.
    I know that feeling. I played regularly from a young age for various teams and thought I was good enough I could play pro or semi pro. But once you start playing with really talented players, the gulf is very apparent.
    Funny thing is I was actually a pretty talented player. When I was a young kid I was among the ranks of players making runs across the field. At age 9 I made it onto a county team. In high school I played for our senior team as a freshman, and was one of the better players on the team.

    If I had grown up in Europe it's quite possible that I could have gone pro, but in Canada the sport isn't taken seriously and I gave up playing competitively when I started high school. There just isn't really the coaching or support there. It's one thing to have natural talent, it's another thing to know how to play the game, which is something I was never taught. (whereas a lot of the British kids knew how to play the game properly)

    But at that, I was an even more talented student which is why I dropped sports and focused on school.. and I'm sure I'm making much more money now than I likely would have as an athlete.

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    This is a pretty good summary here:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comm...occer_team_so/

    There are a few key reasons. The first one is that there isn't proper coaching from a young age and there isn't a really good development system that is seen most countries with top soccer teams. In England for example kids start in a clubs academy team as young as six and play up until they are eighteen normally, they also play year round with top coaches, therefore getting the most opportunity to develop skills. Here in Canada however, soccer tends to be a "second sport" played during the summer or for high school teams without really coaches so the opportunity to grow just isn't there. It is also worth noting that in most places the infrastructure isn't really there either, in England there are good pitches to play on all over the place but a lot of the fields in Canada are pretty beat up and not really great for playing soccer on.

    Another reason is that there is no professional league in Canada, apart from the three MLS teams, so i dont think there is a very high level of interest and there isn't a lot that draws people to get involved in the game.

    To continue, the national mens team has not had a good manager that can get the most of the player pool available to him, Floro was a big name but not really a good manager. I think that out current manager is a good step in the right direction as he has taken a very youth centered team to the gold cup.

    Another reason is that players born in Canada opt out and play with better nations because they just don't feel that the national mens team is very good so of course we miss out on a lot of talent.

    Final point is that the team does not receive the support that it needs. TFC, Whitecaps, Impact and women's national teams all draw excellent attendance and support but the stands are empty when the mens team plays. I feel that if there was better support we would see more interest in players playing for Canada, more interest in the sport in general and i think we would see a huge improvement in the final product on the field.

    All that said, things are improving and looking up. Soon enough we will start having a really competitive team that could possibly qualify for the world cup, the potential is certainly there.
    In Canada, soccer is what hockey players play in the summer to stay fit. But if you're a good hockey player.. watch out, someone's watching.

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