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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    What is clear is the being uses an autonomous mind to decide which ideas it will hold and which it will reject.

    Some desire to just abandon reason and follow the dictates of Christianity or neuroscience but in so doing they have expressed their autonomy.

    Every attempt you make to convince me your ideas have more truth is an expression of an autonomous mind.
    We just went through a chapter where obvious chemically derived impulses generate urge (Cannon et al). Still you hold to something called mind for autonomy which is about as sketchy a construct as has ever been put forth. Failure to account for variables is not a demonstration of a machine driving autonomous behavior. Why can't you get it that if there is autonomy, something you've not yet demonstrated in any way, it is much more globally originated .

    Obvious predispositions to behave this way or that are programmed into the individual, activations of one sort or another originate locally and systemically, as evidence of chemical and underlying arousal and automating nervous system development illustrate. Evidence for modifiable local controls arise in most responding and effecting components of the behaving animal. Clearly if there is any capacity for autonomy it is embodied in the genome as expressed.

    You have already cut yourself off at the pass by insisting the mind isn't physical but rather emergent -and as I've remarked emergence is counter to the general precepts of physics. Why not consider a totality of behavior which seems to suggest some level of apparent autotomy.

    It isn't clearly, but such thinking isn't foreign to even those of us who pretend to claim some experience in science.

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    The mind is that which acts on urges.

    And the mind is that which autonomously decides to not act on an urge.

    It forces the body to not eat the ice cream today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by untermensche View Post
    The brain...is creating things for the mind to experience.
    The brain creates the “mind” and it creates the “things for the mind to experience.”

    As previously noted, you’ve fucked yourself.
    Last edited by Koyaanisqatsi; Today at 03:39 PM.

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    As has been explained to you to no avail saying the brain creates both that which experiences and the things it experiences is not problematic in the least.

    The brain also controls respiration which has nothing to do with consciousness.

    Assigning multiple functions to the brain is not problematic in itself.

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