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    Someone asked about her and the Senate filibuster. She then gives a history of it - it was created by accident. For most of its history, it was mainly used to obstruct civil-rights legislation and anti-lynching legislation and the like. For most of its history, it was the talking filibuster, talk and talk and talk. But some time in the 1970's or so, it was simplified to a "hold", a sort of Taste-of-Armageddon filibuster.

    She says that many Republicans are a lost cause, and she says that some Democrats have rather problematic stances on this parliamentary maneuver. Some Democrats have romanicized ideas of what the filibuster does for the legislative process, she says. "Hello, state of Arizona"

    A clear allusion to Kyrsten Sinema. I think that she may represent a "nightmare scenario" for progressive politicians as what they might end up becoming.

    Then she stated that some AZ Senators state that the filibuster was some grand design or some great compromise, something she calls a "fantasy". Then she continued with how we ought to put pressure on Senators to reform the filibuster. She says that Trump is only a symptom of the rot in the Republican Party.

    An electrician asked how we can supply the necessary electricity with the current grid. She responded that we need upgrading of the grid, and also electricity storage. Batteries can be decentralized to give greater resilience to outages.

    Then she discusses a rather arcane tax feature, one called SALT. She explained it rather clearly and she explained her position on repealing it.

    She says about the infrastructure bill that we should invest more than what the Biden Admin is proposing. She says that it's a pattern with Republicans that they issue demands for less spending and more participation, but when it comes time to vote, they refuse to do it. So Democrats should not cooperate with Republicans if they do that. Like that Jan. 6 commission. The Democrats gave the Republicans what they wanted, like making it bipartisan, but in the end, the Republicans didn't vote for it.

    AOC argues that it's not enough to have police. She noted that there is a lot of resistance to employing psychiatrists even though many jailed people have mental-health issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Someone asked about her and the Senate filibuster. She then gives a history of it - it was created by accident. For most of its history, it was mainly used to obstruct civil-rights legislation and anti-lynching legislation and the like. For most of its history, it was the talking filibuster, talk and talk and talk. But some time in the 1970's or so, it was simplified to a "hold", a sort of Taste-of-Armageddon filibuster.

    She says that many Republicans are a lost cause, and she says that some Democrats have rather problematic stances on this parliamentary maneuver. Some Democrats have romanicized ideas of what the filibuster does for the legislative process, she says. "Hello, state of Arizona"

    A clear allusion to Kyrsten Sinema. I think that she may represent a "nightmare scenario" for progressive politicians as what they might end up becoming.

    Then she stated that some AZ Senators state that the filibuster was some grand design or some great compromise, something she calls a "fantasy". Then she continued with how we ought to put pressure on Senators to reform the filibuster. She says that Trump is only a symptom of the rot in the Republican Party.

    An electrician asked how we can supply the necessary electricity with the current grid. She responded that we need upgrading of the grid, and also electricity storage. Batteries can be decentralized to give greater resilience to outages.

    Then she discusses a rather arcane tax feature, one called SALT. She explained it rather clearly and she explained her position on repealing it.

    She says about the infrastructure bill that we should invest more than what the Biden Admin is proposing. She says that it's a pattern with Republicans that they issue demands for less spending and more participation, but when it comes time to vote, they refuse to do it. So Democrats should not cooperate with Republicans if they do that. Like that Jan. 6 commission. The Democrats gave the Republicans what they wanted, like making it bipartisan, but in the end, the Republicans didn't vote for it.

    AOC argues that it's not enough to have police. She noted that there is a lot of resistance to employing psychiatrists even though many jailed people have mental-health issues.
    AOC is surprised over the resistance to employ psychiatrists to do what? I like AOC. But she's in a very safe democratic district and she is very naïve. There is an incredible shortage of psychiatrists and psychologists. You can't find them. They are difficult to find if you have very good insurance and can offer a very safe environment for them. It's laughable that we could find some that would be willing to go into an uncertain domestic disturbance situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    She says about the infrastructure bill that we should invest more than what the Biden Admin is proposing.
    Yeah, because the government can just spend unlimited amounts of money with no problems because money printer can just go brrrr . US government has already spent unprecedented amounts of money on account of COVID, and too big (and too unfocused) an "infrastructure" package would just add to the inflationary pressure we are already seeing. And AOC still wants to spend 60 trillion on GND.

    Like that Jan. 6 commission. The Democrats gave the Republicans what they wanted, like making it bipartisan, but in the end, the Republicans didn't vote for it.
    As far as I remember, Republicans did not want it just to focus on January 6th, but other recent cases of political rioting, particularly #BLM/Antifa riots. And Dems definitely did not want to cave on that.

    AOC argues that it's not enough to have police. She noted that there is a lot of resistance to employing psychiatrists even though many jailed people have mental-health issues.
    How many psychiatrists would be willing to go out on potentially dangerous calls instead of the police?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    AOC wants a higher threshold than $50,000 - to help doctors and the like with very big student-load debts.
    Doctors (i.e. physicians) in the US have large salaries and can well afford to pay their student loans.

    Why should these 1%ers be subsidized with student loan forgiveness?

    And again, how would she pay her entire wish list?

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    Lauren Windsor on Twitter: "Today we are all @AOC... (pic link)" / Twitter
    From early 2019, with AOC behind Joe Manchin with a rather plain facial expression. Then,

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Just thinking about how after this photo ran Wall Street Journal columnists spent more time criticizing me for not smiling enough than asking Manchin precisely what areas of “common ground” he had in mind when he stood up for the GOP.

    Turns out voter suppression was one of them!" / Twitter



    The Recount on Twitter: "“I want to be clear to folks in this region who are thinking about making that dangerous trek to the United States-Mexico border: Do not come. Do not come.”

    — VP Kamala Harris during news conference with Guatemalan president Alejandro Giammattei (vid link)" / Twitter

    Then
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "This is disappointing to see. ..." / Twitter
    This is disappointing to see.

    First, seeking asylum at any US border is a 100% legal method of arrival.

    Second, the US spent decades contributing to regime change and destabilization in Latin America. We can’t help set someone’s house on fire and then blame them for fleeing.

    It would be helpful if the US would finally acknowledge its contributions to destabilization and regime change in the region.

    Doing so can help us change US foreign policy, trade policy, climate policy, & carceral border policy to address causes of mass displacement & migration.

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    In another thread it is mentioned that Joe Manchin is apparently in the pockets of Charles Koch and other anti-democratic evil-doers. Here's AOC making the same point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    AOC wants a higher threshold than $50,000 - to help doctors and the like with very big student-load debts.
    Doctors (i.e. physicians) in the US have large salaries and can well afford to pay their student loans.

    Why should these 1%ers be subsidized with student loan forgiveness?

    And again, how would she pay her entire wish list?
    Yea, but you're forgetting that their expenses are going way up. You can't deduct as many expenses on your second home, boats are more expensive, salary for butlers and maid are way up, jet fuel is up, $400,000 a year dosn't go as far as it use to. We need to help the medical class out better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Why should these 1%ers be subsidized with student loan forgiveness?
    Why should these important workers have debt to begin with?

    You break your leg and an orthopedic surgeon is a modern god doing miracles.

    Why should we saddle such important people with debt merely to serve us?

    And again, how would she pay her entire wish list?
    When GW Bush wanted to be a war president so he started a huge war and 2 trillion dollars + was found and wasted on that.

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    I agree with this ...
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    And again, how would she pay her entire wish list?
    When GW Bush wanted to be a war president so he started a huge war and 2 trillion dollars + was found and wasted on that.
    ... but Nitpick! Google shows $4.5 trillion as the total cost to the U.S. of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. (This ignores the huge costs to the citizens of the countries "we" invaded.)

    ... If an extra $2.5 trillion can be considered a "nitpick."

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    Bush the lesser and his cronies said the war would pay for itself.

    Their math was off.

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