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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
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    Bigotry? Hatred? Exactly how many xtians have blown themselves up and some other innocents who just happen to be nearby in the wrong place at the wrong time? A miniscule number in comparison to the followers of a terrorist so called prophet who was also a pedophile?
    You seem to think that all environments in the world are similar.

    The US is not filled with wars all over the place and a bunch of dictatorships spreading violent fundamentalism and have been spreading it for decades.

    The US attacked Iraq and started up sectarian violence that hadn't existed in centuries. The dismissal of the Iraqi military gave ISIS well trained and experienced military leadership. The US also left weapons and cash for ISIS to come in and take. This created havoc and caused the Syrian war to be much worse.

    In Northern Ireland you didn't have anything nearly as bad but you had many individual Christians committing acts of terrorism. Killing civilians deliberately.
    And are you aware that Hilary Clinton, the lefts darling was pushing for the invasion of Iraq even more so than any neocon in the Bush administration?
    You're kidding me! Holy crap. I'm stunned. I'm sure that you have evidence of this? Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
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    Bigotry? Hatred? Exactly how many xtians have blown themselves up and some other innocents who just happen to be nearby in the wrong place at the wrong time? A miniscule number in comparison to the followers of a terrorist so called prophet who was also a pedophile?
    You seem to think that all environments in the world are similar.

    The US is not filled with wars all over the place and a bunch of dictatorships spreading violent fundamentalism and have been spreading it for decades.

    The US attacked Iraq and started up sectarian violence that hadn't existed in centuries. The dismissal of the Iraqi military gave ISIS well trained and experienced military leadership. The US also left weapons and cash for ISIS to come in and take. This created havoc and caused the Syrian war to be much worse.

    In Northern Ireland you didn't have anything nearly as bad but you had many individual Christians committing acts of terrorism. Killing civilians deliberately.
    And are you aware that Hilary Clinton, the lefts darling was pushing for the invasion of Iraq even more so than any neocon in the Bush administration?
    You have a narrow view of what the left is.

    Hillary is what was called when I was a younger a moderate Republican. 100% behind the corporate system. With an understanding that some social services are necessary but these shouldn't become too good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
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    And are you aware that Hilary Clinton, the lefts darling was pushing for the invasion of Iraq even more so than any neocon in the Bush administration?
    You're kidding me! Holy crap. I'm stunned. I'm sure that you have evidence of this? Link?
    LOL...I'm not stunned, after all we are dealing with alt-reality here. The Congressional vote for the Iraq Resolution make clear each Party's general view.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
    215 (96.4%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted for the resolution.
    82 (39.2%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.
    6 (<2.7%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution: Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY), Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX).
    126 (~60.3%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution.
    The only Independent Representative voted against the resolution: Rep. Sanders (I-VT)

    29 (58%) of 50 Democratic senators voted for the resolution.
    21 (42%) of 50 Democratic Senators voted against the resolution.
    1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI).
    The only independent senator voted against the resolution: Sen. Jeffords (I-VT)

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    But when you are told the Democratic Party is not the left you don't care.

    Bernie Sanders is barely left of Eisenhower.

    When the Democrats abandoned the unions and allowed them to be crushed the left in American politics lost it's voice.

    The left is a counter-force to the authoritarian tendencies in the capitalist system.

    It was opposed to US involvement in WWI, not so much WWII after Pearl Harbor, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and the Iraqi war.

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    To be fair, unions were so racist it wasn't even funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poster View Post
    To be fair, unions were so racist it wasn't even funny.
    You mean when racial segregation was legal this spilled over into the unions?

    How were they supposed to be immune?

    Also racial segregation meant inferior schools.

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    I mean the unions I was associated with and when I came up during the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poster View Post
    I mean the unions I was associated with and when I came up during the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
    I believe you.

    Segregation was legal in the sixties.

    And those unions were probably filled with racists.

    That was a problem caused by a much bigger societal problem that effected a lot more than unions.

    It is not a problem inherent to unions.

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    The Ugly Truth About Amazon’s $3 Billion Beauty Contest: It Was Never Going to Pay Off: "Massive bids to woo corporations — and jobs — to cities almost always fall short. A much better deal? Support the fast-growing startups."
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    Amazon No Longer Loves N.Y. on Valentine's Day and Cancels Its HQ Plans | Inc.com: "Using subsidies to grow newer and younger businesses would probably serve everyone better."
    From the second one, a picture of a protester's sign:
    (1) Fund schools & infrastructure
    (2) Pass small business protections
    (3) Local businesses on Amazon campus
    or STAY THE HELIPAD OUT!
    From the first one,
    "We love New York, its incomparable dynamism, people, and culture,” the company said in a statement. So much so that there are 5,000 Amazon employees here, and the company says it will continue to grow here.

    And that’s the point, according to Amazon’s very loud local critics, which include politicians in Long Island City, where Amazon was going to set up shop, and labor unions — Amazon is anti-union and wouldn’t agree to even stay neutral on the subject. How’s this for dynamism: You want a piece of us? Then pay for it. Other tech companies, particularly Google, have been expanding in New York without trying to hold jobs hostage to real estate deals.

    The Amazon retreat, and perhaps one by Foxconn in Wisconsin, rekindles the national debate over corporate subsidies to land jobs from such beauty contests as the one that Amazon staged so expertly. Data from Brookings and other organizations that have studied economic development consistently show that the return on the investment nearly always comes up short. But state and local governments get sucked in again and again in the battle to “win” plants and headquarters that are essentially put up for bid.

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