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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    There is another way, but it is questionable whether it is "better". It would involve a massive bombing campaign against all known Hamas and Islamic Jihad targets, including leadership and rocket storage and manufacturing sites regardless of whether they are situated under residential areas, hospitals or mosques. It would probably also involve Israel having to reoccupy Gaza, or at least severely restrict anything coming into the Strip. Of course, all this would mean a lot more dead Palestinians, including civilians.
    So it's important to do what is supposedly so horrible about Hamas -- attacking civilians. What opponents of Communism have long attributed to Communists is a bit more straightforward: "it's necessary to break eggs to make an omelet".

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    Nicole Alexander Fisher on Twitter: "Interesting interaction on the House floor. ..." / Twitter
    Interesting interaction on the House floor.

    On the vote for Iron Dome funding, Rep Ocasio Cortez voted "no", but there was a minutes-long interaction between her and Speaker Pelosi (where Rep Ocasio Cortez seems visibly distraught) which preceded her vote switch to "present".

    Interaction con'td.

    It ends with Rep Ocasio Cortez switching her "no" vote to "present".

    Noting that I’m not speculating anything that may have happened in this exchange or if the votes had to do with it—I just found this interaction followed by the present vote interesting.

    According to Rep Dingell (who is likely the woman in blue, but I can’t see her face) she and Rep Ocasio Cortez were both upset because the Iron Dome funding was not brought through committee.

    She also cites the large Jewish community in AOC’s district.

    NEW: A statement from AOC that specifically addresses her communications with Pelosi on the issue.

    Apparently she requested to Pelosi a 24 hour stay of the vote so that there could be consultation with her constituents and discussion on the amendment.

    This request was rejected.
    The Very Serious Trump-Hillary Pipeline on Twitter: "@_nalexander @gaijingirl2004 Think this is a pretty good summation of what probably happened (vid link)" / Twitter
    Someone noticing NP in a pink dress in the left of the video, DD in a dark-cyan dress to her left, Pramila Jayapal in black further left, and AOC behind PJ. He imagined NP making lots of threats like kicking her off her committees, not supporting her if she challenges Chuck Schumer, and the like.

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    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "A note to our NY-14 constituents, from Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (pix link)" / Twitter

    She noted that Israel has plenty of money for its Iron Dome, and she objected to how this measure was rushed through without it being properly debated in committee hearings.

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    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Apologizes for Vote on Iron Dome Funding - The New York Times - a rather odd take.
    Some progressive lawmakers grew furious with Representative Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the No. 2 Democrat, who pushed for the swift vote on Iron Dome funding. His maneuver appeared to be intended to calm Israeli officials, who had watched the dispute with alarm.

    Yair Lapid, Israel’s foreign minister, called Mr. Hoyer and emphasized the need for the House to approve the request as soon as possible, according to an account of the call released by Mr. Lapid’s office. Mr. Hoyer assured him that the decision to drop it from the government spending measure had been no more than a “technical delay,” the account said. Hours later, Mr. Hoyer announced that the House would hold a separate vote to approve the funding later in the week.

    Ms. Ocasio-Cortez said she had personally appealed to Mr. Hoyer to delay the vote.

    “Even the night before, as it became clear that the discourse around this issue was quickly devolving from substance to hateful targeting, I personally had a call with the House majority leader to request a 24-hour stay of the vote, so that we could do the work necessary to bring down the temperature and volatility, explain our positions and engage our communities,” she wrote. “That request was summarily dismissed.”
    IfNotNow🔥 on Twitter: ""We cannot be talking only about Israelis' need for safety at the same time Palestinians are living under a violent apartheid system... We must be consistent in our commitment to human life. Period. Everyone deserves to be safe there."
    - @RashidaTlaib, with courage and clarity. (vid link)" / Twitter


    AOC's brother:
    Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez Unfiltered - YouTube
    Evan Ross Katz interviews artist, activist and community organizer Gabriel Ocasio-Cortez. He discusses the impact of losing his father in his early teens, how the partial loss of his hearing impacted his life and decision to start the Deaf Collective, ableism on "RuPaul's Drag Race," homelessness, coming out to his family, how he handles the ongoing and relentless attacks on his sister, Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the Chromatica Oreo, why Instagram needs to add captions and, of course, Sarah Michelle Gellar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    So it's important to do what is supposedly so horrible about Hamas -- attacking civilians.
    You are twisting what I wrote.
    1. My point is that Iron Dome not only saves Israeli lives but also Palestinian lives because it allows IDF to have limited engagements with the Jihdadists.
    2. There is a huge qualitative difference between targeting civilians and civilians inadvertently getting killed. What Hamas/PIJ are doing is attacking/targeting civilians. IDF targets the terrorists.
    In fact, Hamas/PIJ are guilty of double war crimes - they target civilians, which is a war crime, and they store and fire their rockets from civilians areas, which is also a war crime. But the Hamas Caucus conveniently ignores all that.

    What opponents of Communism have long attributed to Communists is a bit more straightforward: "it's necessary to break eggs to make an omelet".
    What does that have to do with Communism? It's a good lesson about life - pretty much anything worth doing will have some downside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    He imagined NP making lots of threats like kicking her off her committees, not supporting her if she challenges Chuck Schumer, and the like.
    There have been 8 Democrats voting no, including AOC's squad mates. Why no pressure from Pelosi on them?

    I can't imagine Pelosi supporting AOC primarying Schumer in any case - plus he is 70, and will maybe retire in 2028, which is plenty soon for somebody as young as AOC.
    But committees are a possibility. I still think it's the optics. Will be difficult running statewide in NY while voting against protecting Israeli civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    There is another way, but it is questionable whether it is "better". It would involve a massive bombing campaign against all known Hamas and Islamic Jihad targets, including leadership and rocket storage and manufacturing sites regardless of whether they are situated under residential areas, hospitals or mosques. It would probably also involve Israel having to reoccupy Gaza, or at least severely restrict anything coming into the Strip. Of course, all this would mean a lot more dead Palestinians, including civilians.

    Do you remember Pulp Fiction, specifically the diner scene? Jules tells Pumpkin that he is not just giving him the money, but that he is buying something - Pumpkin's life. He is giving him some money so he and Honey Bunny would walk away and Jules doesn't have to kill them.

    Iron Dome is similar. It is there so Israel doesn't have to kill as many Palestinians as otherwise would be necessary for Israel to defend itself from genocidal aggression by Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other Palestinian terrorist groups.
    Looking at a bit of history that is about as long as one of those gifs you're so fond of posting, it becomes much easier for evil to justify it's actions as merely defensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    There is another way, but it is questionable whether it is "better". It would involve a massive bombing campaign against all known Hamas and Islamic Jihad targets, including leadership and rocket storage and manufacturing sites regardless of whether they are situated under residential areas, hospitals or mosques. It would probably also involve Israel having to reoccupy Gaza, or at least severely restrict anything coming into the Strip. Of course, all this would mean a lot more dead Palestinians, including civilians.
    So it's important to do what is supposedly so horrible about Hamas -- attacking civilians. What opponents of Communism have long attributed to Communists is a bit more straightforward: "it's necessary to break eggs to make an omelet".
    I really think that there is no chance of making an omelet in greater Israel. There is just too much history, too much religion, too much tribalism, too much hate. The best we can hope for is stability minimizing civilian deaths. Before Iron Dome, the only way to stop the rocket launchers was ground invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Ms Tlaib called the $1bn price tag “absurd, an unjustifiable 140 per cent increase for the Iron Dome".
    Now she is a spending hawk, lmao! It costs what it costs. If her Hamas and Islamic Jihad friends were to stop shooting rockets at Israel, the cost would be much less of course.
    Sure, it costs what it costs. But why should American taxpayers foot the bill? Let Israel finance its own wars. It can afford it.

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