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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    In my experience "woke" generally refers to belief in a conspiracy theory or other far-out idea (for example, preppers.)
    "Woke" is the "born again" of the new religion.

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    I guess there is reason for people to pretend that woke means something it doesn't. While it means socially aware, that implies various persons are not socially aware and those persons may be offended...so much so...that they want to say woke means something they wouldn't want to be in the first place. Kind of like the fox saying the grapes are sour but maybe the grapes shouldn't have been so enticing in the first place. Bad grapes. Bad!

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    Charlie Spiering on Twitter: "“It sounds like a high school term paper that got a low mark” Trump says about @AOC New Green deal."
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Ah yes, a man who can’t even read briefings written in full sentences is providing literary criticism of a House Resolution. (“Reading the intelligence book is not Trump’s preferred ‘style of learning,’ according to a person with knowledge of the situation.” - @washingtonpost)… https://t.co/Ru0Ub1r75E"

    Banks weigh whether to embrace or avoid progressive firebrand Ocasio-Cortez | Reuters
    David Freedlander on Twitter: "One more accomplishment for @AOC: she has flummoxed banking lobbyists https://t.co/KAv6gUclHJ"
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "‘Central to @AOC’s campaign has been rejection of corporate💰, closing off a traditional avenue for industry influence on Capitol Hill.’ ”The fear is, it's like going in to talk to the FBI, anything you do or say can be used against you,” said one lobbyist for a major bank.”… https://t.co/vAuENFFhrI"
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "There’s no reason to be afraid of lawmakers if everyday people are being respected, protected, and taken care of. Now, if financial companies are engaging in predatory practices and ripping off working/middle class families & the poor, then yes, there will be an issue."

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "“There is a wide gulf between the political center + the moral center. What is different now is that the moral center — what is right — is popular. So they yell “socialism!” “Venezuela!” “extremism!” ... to spread fear to protect a discredited political center.” - @RevJJackson… https://t.co/evfP1PALN8"

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "RIP our post-it wall We were told it had to be taken down... So we moved it inside instead 🤗… "
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "It just appeared one day. Some mothers came by & left 2-3 encouraging notes on my plaque. We left them up, bc it was great to read those little encouraging words every morning. Soon, more post-its came. It became a little ritual for the public, so we left stacks out for people.… https://t.co/F3uTzfVMGX"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    I guess there is reason for people to pretend that woke means something it doesn't. While it means socially aware, that implies various persons are not socially aware and those persons may be offended...so much so...that they want to say woke means something they wouldn't want to be in the first place. Kind of like the fox saying the grapes are sour but maybe the grapes shouldn't have been so enticing in the first place. Bad grapes. Bad!
    Damn. You're like a religious zealot about it. The difference between you and a religious fundamentalist who exclaims the atheist/heretic denies truth is what, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    I guess there is reason for people to pretend that woke means something it doesn't. While it means socially aware,
    It's not the same thing. It's being (or at least thinking oneself as being) socially aware in a very particular way. If you are socially aware but come to different conclusions than those who invented the term "woke", then you are not "woke" but are still socially aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poster View Post
    She's one of a kind so far because she's doing this without the connections someone like Trump enjoys. I seriously worry for her safety and hope her fate may not be similar to that of Paul Wellstone, who arguably ended up giving his life for progressive causes.
    Don't worry. She won't be travelling on any small planes because she takes the train everywhere, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughing dog View Post
    Her exact quote is ICE does"not deserve a dime until they can prove that they are honoring human rights, until they can make a good-faith effort to expand and embrace immigrants.” which is not that same as a unilateral defunding of ICE.
    It is in practice. She doesn't want ICE to deport illegals. Note that in the section you quoted below, she thinks there is a "human right" to migration.

    As to your claim that Latinos "cannot be illegal", her precise words are
    "We have to have respect for children, respect for families, respect for human rights and respect for the right of human mobility. Because it is a right. It is a right. Because we are standing on native land, and Latino people are descendants of native people,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “And we cannot be told and criminalized simply for our identity or our status. Period.”
    Which is not the same as saying Latinos cannot be illegal.
    Just like as with the Kamala Harris hypocrisy thread, you are exhibiting a lack of reading comprehension. She claims that US is "native land" and that Latinos are "descendents of native people" and therefore cannot be illegal no matter their "status" (i.e. immigration status).

    You seem to be misinformed.
    Wrong. Unlike you, I can distill and understand the meaning of her words.

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    This is new?
    That laughing dog fails to understand something but thinks I am misinformed? Unfortunately, no, this is getting very old...

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Australia, if all the polling is correct, is about to take a sharp turn to the left come federal elections in May.
    Does that mean they will allow all the illegal migrant boats again? SMH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    I guess there is reason for people to pretend that woke means something it doesn't. While it means socially aware, that implies various persons are not socially aware and those persons may be offended...so much so...that they want to say woke means something they wouldn't want to be in the first place. Kind of like the fox saying the grapes are sour but maybe the grapes shouldn't have been so enticing in the first place. Bad grapes. Bad!
    Damn. You're like a religious zealot about it. The difference between you and a religious fundamentalist who exclaims the atheist/heretic denies truth is what, exactly?
    Everybody has moral opinions that, when pressed, they would denounce other people for disagreeing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    It is in practice.
    No, it is not in "practice".
    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    She doesn't want ICE to deport illegals. Note that in the section you quoted below, she thinks there is a "human right" to migration.
    That does not mean she does not want ICE to deport no undocumented aliens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Just like as with the Kamala Harris hypocrisy thread, you are exhibiting a lack of reading comprehension. She claims that US is "native land" and that Latinos are "descendents of native people" and therefore cannot be illegal no matter their "status" (i.e. immigration status).
    You are right, this is just like the Kamala Harris hypocrisy thread where your bigoted ideology drives you to literally make up claims. You are making projections onto her. If you have quotes that actually back up your claims, produce them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Wrong. Unlike you, I can distill and understand the meaning of her words.
    That is true. Unlike me, you are literally making this stuff up.

    So, I apologize, I was wrong, you are not misinformed. You are addlepated or intellectually dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    It is in practice. She doesn't want ICE to deport illegals. Note that in the section you quoted below, she thinks there is a "human right" to migration.
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." --- The Declaration of Independence

    Americans recognize the right of people to pursue their happiness. Both the UN Convention on Human Rights and US law recognize the right of people to apply for asylum at the US border.

    As laughing dog pointed out, AOC said ICE does "not deserve a dime until they can prove that they are honoring human rights, until they can make a good-faith effort to expand and embrace immigrants.” This implies she'd agree ICE deserves funding if its agents stopped violating US law and human rights by imprisoning asylum seekers, and stopped harassing/mistreating people suspected of being immigrants.

    I agree with her, btw. I think any government agency with a well founded reputation for abusing asylum seekers and traumatizing children, and for being an instrument that allows an Administration to act outside of historic Constitutional constraints on the Executive Branch wrt immigration and domestic affairs, should not be funded. It should be terminated.

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