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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    She's not stupid, the problem is she allows her ideology to override rational thought.
    Or to put it a slightly different way, she's too idealistic. I prefer someone like Stacey Abrams. She has very progressive views, but she understands that you must work with people who have very different views from your own, in order to accomplish anything. In other words, I'll take pragmatism over idealism any day. If you can't get it all, you take what you can get and keep on trying.
    She's not being pragmatic in arguing for her green new deal. The technology isn't there, it can't be done on her timeframe and in practice would make things worse as nuke plants get replaced with fossil fuels.

    You must have misunderstood what I said. I never said that AOC was pragmatic. I said that Stacey Abrams was pragmatic.



    I agree that AOC's green new deal is too idealistic to happen in the time frame that she has presented it. Sometimes I think it's way too late to accomplish what is needed when it comes to climate change. We should have "woke" up during the Carter administration when he told us to turn down the heat, and when he put solar panels on the WH roof. He, imo, is a man who was way ahead of his times in many ways. But, I digress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    You must have misunderstood what I said. I never said that AOC was pragmatic. I said that Stacey Abrams was pragmatic.
    I think that AOC is a bit more pragmatic than what she might seem like. She hasn't supported primarying half her Democratic colleagues, for instance. She even endorsed an incumbent, Jerry Nadler NY-10, instead of any of his challengers. She initially supported primarying only two of them, Henry Cuellar TX-28 and Dan Lipinski IL-03, two conservative ones. The first primary challenge (Jessica Cisneros) failed and the second one (Marie Newman) succeeded. She supported primarying two more, and I suspect that it because of moral turpitude. Eliot Engel NY-16 she supported primarying because he was very negligent about his district when the coronavirus hit, saying that he would not be back there if he didn't have a primary. This was when she was helping to distribute aid to the people of her district. Richard Neal MA-01 had a different trouble. His campaigners made a big issue out of a sex scandal that turned out to be totally bogus. The first primary challenge (Jamaal Bowman) succeeded and the second one (Alex Morse) failed.

    I agree that AOC's green new deal is too idealistic to happen in the time frame that she has presented it. Sometimes I think it's way too late to accomplish what is needed when it comes to climate change. We should have "woke" up during the Carter administration when he told us to turn down the heat, and when he put solar panels on the WH roof. He, imo, is a man who was way ahead of his times in many ways. But, I digress.
    I agree. But Jimmy Carter seemed too negative. That was a problem with Al Gore some decades later when he published "An Inconvenient Truth". But wind turbines and photovoltaic cells weren't as developed back then as now. Will future generations remember these technologies as being made practical in the nick of time?


    At that same gathering,
    Cori Bush on Twitter: "I’m here to say that winning a Green New Deal is a racial justice issue. https://t.co/n51UPbtWOW" / Twitter
    She delivered a speech on that occasion saying that issues like endangered species and recycling didn't initially grab her, but that she came to recognize that environmental justice includes issues like air pollution, like a lot of her constituents having asthma. That's mainly from diesel particulates, mainly from trucks. Exhaust filters partially work, however.

    Electric and fuel-cell vehicles won't have that problem, though fuel-cell ones might have problems from evaporation of fuels like methanol and ammonia.

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    People's Action on Twitter: "President-Elect @JoeBiden has promised to build a climate presidency — and we’re going to hold him to it.

    @JamaalBowmanNY #GreenNewDeal #BidenBeBrave https://t.co/mg9T7vxPNl" / Twitter

    Jamaal Bowman speaking. He got the New Deal's chronology wrong in that one, but he was correct about how it was good for keeping the economy going. World War II was another factor, because it provoked an orgy of government spending.

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, expanded 'Squad' demand Biden deliver on Green New Deal - ABC News


    Ocasio-Cortez and the 'Squad' rally for action on climate crisis: 'Dollars don't vote' - YouTube


    AOC and squad rally outside DNC to pressure Biden into embracing Green New Deal | Fox News - has:

    Sunrise Movement 🌅 on Twitter: "“We are all here today because of the movement... because at the end of the day, dollars don’t vote, people do” - @AOC

    We are going to win a #GreenNewDeal through the power of the people and the power of movements. #BidenBeBrave https://t.co/rYK0lk0yUO" / Twitter


    Sunrise Movement 🌅 on Twitter: "“This is a movement built out of the urgency people feel to protect our planet” - @IlhanMN

    We need a #GreenNewDeal. We need Biden and Harris to act. #BidenBeBrave https://t.co/9mJKYjA0zb" / Twitter


    Sunrise Movement 🌅 on Twitter: "BREAKING: @CoriBush, @JamaalBowmanNY, @MondaireJones, @IlhanMN, @RashidaTlaib, @RoKhanna, @AOC, & @EdMarkey are with us at the @DNC demanding a #GreenNewDeal.

    @JoeBiden must act on his mandate & deliver for those who delivered for him. #BidenBeBrave https://t.co/V32pkBZD7E" / Twitter


    Not quite camping out in Nancy Pelosi's office, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Pure assertion. Wind energy and solar energy are now in the exponential phase typical of new technologies, and there is a lot of work on ancillary technologies, like storage and synfuels. I can't say that either is as mature as wind turbines or photovoltaic cells, however.
    There is nothing coming down the pike that is adequate for storage. Something that isn't even on the horizon now isn't going to be deployed at that scale in 10 years. It simply doesn't happen even at Manhattan Project effort levels.

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    Rep. Pramila Jayapal on Twitter: ""As a result of both successful Democratic primaries and proactive power-building by progressive incumbents, a reformed and strengthened CPC is poised to make progressives a more powerful force within the House than at any time in modern American history." https://t.co/1O9TUNNnlK" / Twitter

    House progressives are building something new, exciting, and powerful - Roll Call
    It’s not just votes though, it’s how you organize those votes. For years, the CPC has grown in size, but membership has traditionally required little of its members. No more. Just last week, the CPC passed game-changing reforms to its own caucus rules. These rule changes will empower the CPC to organize itself to negotiate and vote as a single bloc on specific legislation to secure progressive improvements or remove dangerous provisions. With just a slim margin in the House, Democratic leadership will need the votes of progressives to pass legislation. The CPC now has the opportunity to use this leverage to ensure bills include progressive priorities.
    Something the Right has long done.

    The authors argued that this is not "he Freedom Caucus of the left?", because "The Freedom Caucus repeatedly took a “burn it down” approach to lock in wealth inequality and punish immigrants and communities of color."

    But to outsiders, it may well seem like some Green Tea Party.

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    New York City's lone Republican in Congress takes aim at AOC
    After Rose beat a Republican incumbent in 2018 to take the seat, Democrats hoped to keep the delegation all-blue for the long haul. But an increase in turnout among voters backing President Donald Trump boosted Malliotakis. She also hammered at themes of law and order — hitting Rose for attending a Black Lives Matter protest, even though it was peaceful and he has said he opposes defunding the police.
    That seems like it's why the Republicans did so well in Congress and why Biden had such a squeaker of a victory - Trump inspiring a lot of turnout among his followers and admirers.
    The incoming congresswoman sees a particular foil in Ocasio-Cortez, who was reelected by a wide margin this month to a second term.

    With fellow Republicans whose families have roots in socialist and communist countries, Malliotakis, whose mother is from Cuba, is assembling an informal alliance to oppose the lefty “squad” that includes Ocasio-Cortez and Reps. Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib.

    Her allies include María Elvira Salazar and Carlos Giménez, both Cuban Americans who ousted incumbent Democrats in Florida, and Victoria Spartz of Indiana who grew up in Ukraine. All three will join Congress in January.

    “There is a natural alliance that is forming between people whose families have similar histories to mine,” she said. “People who are rightfully concerned about the direction our nation is moving in and what the socialist squad is peddling.”
    NM's last name looks Greek, so her father likely has Greek ancestry. The two women have not spoken, as far as I can tell.
    “If she made a big deal about me, I certainly didn’t hear it. So I’m sure that was something she did in her community or her district. I wish her well,” she said.
    She misses Max Rose, despite the two Congresspeople sometimes being at loggerheads.
    “I’d be remiss if I didn’t honor Max Rose’s service in Congress,” she said. “He was just an incredible colleague, and he and I drove each other crazy, but we were also good friends.”

    But Malliotakis said the specter of democratic socialism as personified by Ocasio-Cortez helped her win votes in growing Russian, Chinese, Ukrainian and Korean communities in her district.

    “My district does not want socialism, period,” she said. “When you talk about dismantling the economy, destroying capitalism — these are things that are very scary to people who come from other countries, where government has too much control of their lives.”
    Yet she wants more cops.

    It was with police forces that those bad governments enforced their will, so one has to conclude that there is a such thing as excessive policing.

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    Thank you, Ipetrich for this thread! Although she's far more liberal than I am, I always liked AOC. At first she just seemed fun and photogenic, but I keep raising my opinion of her. She has become a true American heroine, a good antidote to the nastiness of Trump and the entire GOP.

    I still wouldn't call her a top intellectual. (She's smarter than 98% of Trump supporters and 100% of her detractors, but that hurdle is laughably easy to beat.) But even if she only got B's in Economics, her ideals and compassion and especially her political savoir-faire make her one of the top stars in Congress today. You can put an ad in the paper and get resumes from hundreds of high-IQ policy planners. But politicians with the sincerity, compassion and charisma of AOC are one-in-a-million.

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    AOC Says She Woke Up to Stacks of Photos From FBI Showing 'People Who Want to Kill' Her

    ... "I used to wake up in the morning and literally get a stack of pictures that were forwarded by Capitol police or FBI. Like, 'These are the people who want to kill you today,' " AOC told Vanity Fair this week.

    The hate extended to her family, including her brother, Gabriel, who would receive calls from the FBI warning him not to open his mail due to bomb threats, according to the publication. Other targets of abuse include the designer of her Cesar Chavez–inspired campaign posters, who would receive death threats, and her former dean at Boston University, who would regularly receive emails calling him the n-word.
    These people need to start being arrested, convicted, and best yet, lose their right to own firearms.
    It's hard to imagine a good-spirited person who would oppose AOC personally at all. That she receives death threats tells us something extremely sad about a perverse sickness that infects so many millions of Americans. There's more to this infection of irrational hatred than just raw stupidity: Some of the sickos even have enough savvy to post on message-boards.

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    AOC rival, ex-anchor Caruso-Cabrera eyes NYC comptroller run
    Caruso-Cabrera, a veteran business journalist, would join a Democratic primary field for comptroller that includes Harlem state Sen. Brian Benjamin, Brooklyn state Sen. Kevin Parker, Queens Assemblyman David Weprin and Brooklyn Councilman Brad Lander.

    The former CNBC anchor would be the only woman and Hispanic in the race. Caruso-Cabrera is of half-Cuban descent.

    The comptroller is the city’s budget watchdog and chief auditor of city agencies. Caruso-Cabrera said she would use the office to make sure city dollars are spent wisely.

    But she said priority number one is helping the city recover from the lingering coronavirus pandemic, which has wreaked havoc on the Big Apple economy and put hundreds of thousands of people out of work.

    “We have people lined up desperate to get food,” she said.
    That would be happening next year. AOC's good friend Tiffany Cabán is running for City Council that year.

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    That gathering that I posted on:
    AOC & Progressive Leaders Demand Action from the DNC | LIVE | NowThis - YouTube
    Its description:
    AOC, CORI BUSH OUTSIDE DNC DEMANDING ACTION: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Ed Markey speak at a rally outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee to demand bold action in addressing the COVID-19 pandemic, the economic crisis, and the global climate crisis. They will be joined by Reps. Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and Ro Khanna; Representative-elects Cori Bush, Jaamal Bowman, and Mondaire Jones; as well as a coalition of community activists and climate advocates. These progressive leaders, all supporters of the Green New Deal, have frequently called for immediate financial relief during the pandemic, as well as a greater federal support for businesses, schools, and local communities. AOC also served on President-elect Biden’s climate policy panel to help shape his plan to combat the climate crisis, which is a $2 trillion plan that calls for 100% clean electricity in the U.S. by 2035.
    AOC said that if one focuses on electoral politics alone, one may end up feeling helpless and cynical. The cure for that is activism, as part of an inside-outside strategy.

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