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    Nicholas Kristof on Twitter: "We're tortured with bootstraps! The up-by-bootstraps narrative actually impairs upward mobility by substituting sanctimony for assistance. Fox News and others savaged @aoc for saying that bootstrapping is a fallacy, but she was right. My new column: https://t.co/8tLPWm1I8m" / Twitter

    Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It - The New York Times

    Showing a cartoon of a lifeguard saying to someone drowning "If I toss it to you, you'll become dependent on it..."
    Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

    An 1834 publication ridiculed a claim to have built a perpetual-motion machine by saying that the inventor might next heave himself over a river “by the straps of his boots.” An 1840 citation scoffs that something is “as gross an absurdity as he who attempts to raise himself over a fence by the straps of his boots.”

    Yet this phrase has become part of America’s mythology and the centerpiece of our approach to help those left behind: We harangue them to lift themselves up by the bootstraps. When Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this month dismissed bootstrapping at a congressional hearing as “physically impossible,” outrage reverberated across the conservative media world.
    Complete with their whining "I didn't get any help." Some of them even used AOC herself as an example. But she recognizes that her success is not exclusively hers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Nicholas Kristof on Twitter: "We're tortured with bootstraps! The up-by-bootstraps narrative actually impairs upward mobility by substituting sanctimony for assistance. Fox News and others savaged @aoc for saying that bootstrapping is a fallacy, but she was right. My new column: https://t.co/8tLPWm1I8m" / Twitter

    Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It - The New York Times

    Showing a cartoon of a lifeguard saying to someone drowning "If I toss it to you, you'll become dependent on it..."
    Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

    An 1834 publication ridiculed a claim to have built a perpetual-motion machine by saying that the inventor might next heave himself over a river “by the straps of his boots.” An 1840 citation scoffs that something is “as gross an absurdity as he who attempts to raise himself over a fence by the straps of his boots.”

    Yet this phrase has become part of America’s mythology and the centerpiece of our approach to help those left behind: We harangue them to lift themselves up by the bootstraps. When Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this month dismissed bootstrapping at a congressional hearing as “physically impossible,” outrage reverberated across the conservative media world.
    Complete with their whining "I didn't get any help." Some of them even used AOC herself as an example. But she recognizes that her success is not exclusively hers.
    One of the worse shit things to tell people is that they can do no better. But hard work and determination - and intelligence - matter an awful lot. Blaming others for your failure is the road to ruin. Getting up and pulling yourself up after failure is one of the best lessons in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOC, via lpetrich View Post
    In a time when ~60% of American workers make less than $40,000 a year, billionaires should not exist.
    Should not exist?

    Also, where does she get her stats?

    Also, billionaires don’t have a billion dollars because they “work” thousands of times harder than the teacher or the single mom.
    They are billionaires because the stock market makes that money for them, which relies on profiteering off insulin, low wages, scrapped jobs, etc.
    Usually billionaires created businesses like Amazon or Berkshire Hathaway or Microsoft or Paypal/Tesla.
    And having your money in the stock market is at a certain risk, as stocks can go down. As Jerry Seinfeld said ...

    We need worker-centered policies that reign in Wall Street and value work - including a TON of unvalued and undervalued work, like caregiving.
    Surgeons get paid a lot, home health aides get paid little in large part because they need far less skill and training. There is also far less chance that one slip of the hand will result in death or disability, so responsibility is far greater on the former.

    The cost of system that concentrates a billion dollars in the hands of few powerful people is massive, devastating income inequality.
    Expropriate Jeff Bezos and give all that money to bartenders and home health aides?


    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Yes, let’s talk about pensions - like how private equity groups load a ton of risk from unethical practices on the pensions of teachers, nurses, & public servants - so that when a bubble pops, it’s working people that are left holding the bag.
    How about we convert defined benefit pensions to 401ks where everybody has a choice where to invest so you can't plain mustache-twirling "private equity groups" for the investment choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    One of the worse shit things to tell people is that they can do no better. But hard work and determination - and intelligence - matter an awful lot. Blaming others for your failure is the road to ruin. Getting up and pulling yourself up after failure is one of the best lessons in life.
    Trausti, I see that you have repudiated the strict genetic determinism that you have repeatedly claimed in past posts. What happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    On the fourth day, they arrived at Standing Rock. It was dark when they got to camp. Somebody was playing the flute. Everybody made eye contact with them, and strangers gave them long hugs. It was the most intimate mass gathering that Alexandria and Maria had ever seen. They were given a tent and a wood-burning stove and zero-degree sleeping bags.
    Wood-burning stoves are just about the dirtiest heat sources they could have used. Even more so when the wood is trucked from as far as Oregon. But no, fracked oil and gas is the problem.
    And we have discussed the NoDAPL protests at length here. How they were misguided in the first place but that the protesting efforts actually did a lot of polluting (driving >1000 miles, some protesters even flew, wood burning, lot of waste was just dumped etc).

    and the cell phone service was bad, which meant it was difficult for them to livestream from the camp itself.
    The struggle is real. Especially if you are a Millennial.

    When they got a signal, Alexandria and Maria told their viewers the camp was totally clean, even though nobody was in charge of trash.
    Yeah, that was a lie.
    Sanitation crews work to remove massive amounts of garbage from DAPL protest camp before spring thaw

    There are no delicatessen at Standing Rock.

    It's rather hard to do that in a broader society, it must be pointed out. This was a small-scale society that was united in its commitment to its cause.
    Well it certainly helps when it's a relatively small voluntary association. But even there it didn't work out that well.

    Alexandria’s journey to Standing Rock, she told me later, was the first time she realized just how much power was concentrated in the hands of fossil-fuel companies.
    The power that is really concentrated in the hands of fossil-fuel companies is the power inherent in oil and gas. Gasoline her Subaru ran on. The diesel the truck that delivered food to her grocery store runs on. Natural has her apartment is heated with and that produces much of the electricity she uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Trausti, I see that you have repudiated the strict genetic determinism that you have repeatedly claimed in past posts. What happened?
    I don't recall him advocating strict genetic determinism, although to deny strong influence of our genetics would be foolishness. And ideologically motivated foolishness, like Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Nicholas Kristof on Twitter: "We're tortured with bootstraps! The up-by-bootstraps narrative actually impairs upward mobility by substituting sanctimony for assistance. Fox News and others savaged @aoc for saying that bootstrapping is a fallacy, but she was right. My new column: https://t.co/8tLPWm1I8m" / Twitter

    Opinion | Pull Yourself Up by Bootstraps? Go Ahead, Try It - The New York Times

    Showing a cartoon of a lifeguard saying to someone drowning "If I toss it to you, you'll become dependent on it..."
    Back in the 1800s, the expression “pull oneself up by the bootstraps” meant the opposite of what it does now. Then it was used mockingly to describe an impossible act.

    An 1834 publication ridiculed a claim to have built a perpetual-motion machine by saying that the inventor might next heave himself over a river “by the straps of his boots.” An 1840 citation scoffs that something is “as gross an absurdity as he who attempts to raise himself over a fence by the straps of his boots.”

    Yet this phrase has become part of America’s mythology and the centerpiece of our approach to help those left behind: We harangue them to lift themselves up by the bootstraps. When Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez this month dismissed bootstrapping at a congressional hearing as “physically impossible,” outrage reverberated across the conservative media world.
    Complete with their whining "I didn't get any help." Some of them even used AOC herself as an example. But she recognizes that her success is not exclusively hers.
    For reference, this is what she was referring to:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    When they got a signal, Alexandria and Maria told their viewers the camp was totally clean, even though nobody was in charge of trash.
    Yeah, that was a lie.
    Sanitation crews work to remove massive amounts of garbage from DAPL protest camp before spring thaw
    Seems like the camp people had garbage-dump areas and that they weren't litterbugs.

    Alexandria’s journey to Standing Rock, she told me later, was the first time she realized just how much power was concentrated in the hands of fossil-fuel companies.
    The power that is really concentrated in the hands of fossil-fuel companies is the power inherent in oil and gas. Gasoline her Subaru ran on. The diesel the truck that delivered food to her grocery store runs on. Natural has her apartment is heated with and that produces much of the electricity she uses.
    Meaning that crony capitalism is OK if it involves fossil-fuel companies.

    @syndicalish • Instagram photos and videos - has a bit of video of a recent AOC town hall. Also has:

    @syndicalish on Instagram: “these colors make me hungry #sanjuan . . . . . . . #color #photography #cityphotography #town #architecture #prism #rainbow #vibrant #puertorico #buildings #vacanza #vacaciones #vacation #여행 #여행스타그램 #푸에르토리코 #travel #traveler #travels #adventure #wander #wanderlust #viejosanjuan #edificios #colores #linda #hermosa #arcoiris” - Puerto Rican buildings painted in lots of bright colors. Very unusual by US standards.

    MISS DIABETES on Instagram: “Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was on The View, and brought attention to the insulin affordability crisis happening in the States - “You’re losing your husband, because he couldn’t afford insulin, because Big Pharma cares about profits more than people, as Capitalism at its finest, does not work for us.” Access to Insulin is a human right. Access to affordable healthcare is a human right.
    @aoc has endorsed @berniesanders for President. They care about people, and they have the guts to take on the Pharmaceutical Industry. Imagine no more insulin rationing, no more diabetics dying because they can’t afford insulin, no more worrying about how to afford life-saving medication. What a great world that would be!
    #missdiabetes #diabetes #type1diabetes #diabetes #diabadass #insulin #berniesanders #aoc #alexandriaocasiocortez #t1d #insulin #insulin4all #t2d #diabetesawareness #diabetes #t1dlookslikeme #diabetestipo1 #diabetestipo2 #diabeteswarrior #autoimmunedisease #bloodsugar #bernie2020 #webcomic #type1diabetic #illustration #politicalcartoons #comics”

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    Were it not for the fossil fuel companies, even going back centuries, mankind would still be etching out a living as a hunter gatherers'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Were it not for the fossil fuel companies, even going back centuries, mankind would still be etching out a living as a hunter gatherers'.
    And that was the day that I blocked Angelo for being a parody account. Good way to jump the shark. You finally stepped to the far side of Poe's law.

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