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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
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    Essentially, what could have been a valid criticism of the Obama administration's response to the storming of an American embassy in Libya and the subsequent lynching of an American diplomat turned into the Republicans trying to paint Hillary as callously watching with glee as American foreign service members were killed, witholding any aid because she is Killary, and she hates America. It was a clear politically motivated attack aimed at undermining her then future candidacy. After 10 or so investigations spanning several years, culminating in an 11 hour testimony by Clinton to Congress, they failed to find any wrongdoing.

    These are the people screaming "witch hunt" right now. And look, I am no fan of Hillary Clinton, particularly her tenure as Secretary of State, but her handling of all this only made me respect her competency.
    I thought Clinton secured the White House post the all-day testimony. She handled clearly, cleanly, and without any noticeable effort. It was one of those, 'yup, she has the maturity and political savvy to be President'. Instead we have a whining shit bag who lost the popular vote by millions on Twitter complaining about how unfair life is as President, promising to veto Congress smacking him back for trying to seize their power of the purse.
    Yes, because identifying people's grievances is more important than seeming competent.

    The problem with Clinton is that she is part of a caste that fundamentally thinks the system works. The one commonality between the current crop of popular politicians is that they say the system *doesn't* work, their differences are their prescriptions and diagnoses of these problems.

    To people like Clinton (not to single her out, I don't think she is the only one or the worst example of this), problems are minor imperfections that need to be dealt in ways that involve the same technocrats who got us into the mess in the first place. This isn't just Clinton, this is sort of the belt-way in general. However, they system has systematically screwed people at the expense of the already powerful and the people know this. The people know that for the last 30 years, they have been getting fucked. They are angry at the elites because the elites have been largely shielded from this.

    I grew up in The Beltway (well, just outside of it, in Northern Virginia). People there shook off 2008 like a minor inconvenience, they maybe lost some money on one of their investment properties. The majority of the country did not. Their solution was to bail out the financial system (which was necessary, but should have involved a major overhaul and Frank-Dodd is not even close to enough) and then to basically keep giving the financial system more money in the form of quantitative easing. This is absurd and it seems like a recipe for the guillotines (again, something these people are completely unaware of, but I think Trump has spooked them). This is what people should be really pissed about, not the "bailout" per se. This is because Washington is fundamentally incapable of thinking up solutions to problems that doesn't end with making the already well-to-do better off.

    I understand the need for stimulus, but I still haven't gotten a (good) answer as to why you can't just give all tax-payers a check instead of giving the banks a check (sorry, sorry, by buying bonds at a predetermined quantity to directly inject cash into the "economy", and by "the economy" we mean the balance sheets of large financial institutions).

    In any case, she is very clearly an incompetent politician, and quite frankly, that is a good thing in my book, but it is sort of a prerequisite for the job she wanted.

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    So... 12 Republicans voted with the Democrats to oppose Trump's Emergency Declaration.

    Trump responded with a one word tweet, "VETO!" Yeah, all capped it.

    This puts America in a weird place. Congress just smacked Trump on the ass, but Trump is going to use the Veto to ignore the ass smacking. It seems doubtful the GOP is willing to undo the Veto. So a majority of Congress views Trump's action was unauthorized by the Constitution, but not a Veto proof majority.

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    It seems to me that when this makes it to court, if the court allows a trump veto to stand it would mean that Trump, not congress has the power of the purse and Congress would need a veto-proof majority to stop Trump from spending money on anything he wants.

    That does not construe with the entire structure of balance of powers within the Constitution.

    The Courts must strike down a Trump veto or the balance of powers is dead.

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    I thought only congress makes laws. What is going on?

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    The House has power to initiate fiduciary bills, not the President nor Senate. Congress has the power to make a non-binding resolution. President has the power to veto it. Court would not override a veto, but instead make a ruling on whether or not Trump's actions with the declared national emergency is constitutional. It might be acceptable if it does not overuse the military in civilian areas or for civilian purposes and if it does not tap too much into allocated funds as opposed to discretionary funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Neither did they vote for Killery ! I suspect those figures would look a lot different if America used the Australian system of compulsory voting. I must admit though that I'm surprised Killery attracted 26% of the vote. What is it about Americans and their death wish?
    Clinton would have won easily if everyone voted. That's why Republicans try to suppress turnout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    What do you think “Ben Gozzy” was in reference to?
    Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...100601692.html


    https://www.npr.org/2016/06/12/48171...ton-foundation

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    Quote Originally Posted by blastula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
    Neither did they vote for Killery ! I suspect those figures would look a lot different if America used the Australian system of compulsory voting. I must admit though that I'm surprised Killery attracted 26% of the vote. What is it about Americans and their death wish?
    Clinton would have won easily if everyone voted. That's why Republicans try to suppress turnout.
    That can never be known with any certainty because just 40% of possible voters cast their votes. Nevertheless, even 40% is still a sizable poll, and the way the college vote went, it may be the same result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelo View Post
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    Neither did they vote for Killery ! I suspect those figures would look a lot different if America used the Australian system of compulsory voting. I must admit though that I'm surprised Killery attracted 26% of the vote. What is it about Americans and their death wish?
    Clinton would have won easily if everyone voted. That's why Republicans try to suppress turnout.
    That can never be known with any certainty because just 40% of possible voters cast their votes. Nevertheless, even 40% is still a sizable poll, and the way the college vote went, it may be the same result.
    It can be because when Democrats suggest making Election Day a Federal Holiday, the GOP cried it was a "power grab".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
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    That can never be known with any certainty because just 40% of possible voters cast their votes. Nevertheless, even 40% is still a sizable poll, and the way the college vote went, it may be the same result.
    It can be because when Democrats suggest making Election Day a Federal Holiday, the GOP cried it was a "power grab".
    Can you imagine how much voter fraud there would be if we just let everyone have the day off to vote? What we really need to do in order to make sure the "right people" vote, is making voting as difficult as cancelling a gym membership. Can't be too careful...

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