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Thread: The Case For Christ - A defence of Lee Strobel's 1998 apologetic book

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
    He died the next day. The preacher's claim was that the prayer worked! Jesus had heard the petition to make the man well, and responded by killing him. And that cured him of life.
    One wonders what the preacher would have claimed if the brother had made a swift recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
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    Given the geopolitics of the day that are documented along with the fact there we a number of people claiming to be the messiah, the odds are good IMO there was an historical flesh and blood Jesus on whom the tales were spun.
    I'm sure there were many people being persecuted and put to death for political and state reasons, that much is certain, but that isn't the claim.

    The question is more like whether John Wayne's exploits that spanned all of WW2 from Pearl Harbor to Iwo to D-Day is historically inspired by a singular character. IMO nothing could be further from fact.
    Not just WWII, the image of the 19th century west as well. Mostly fictionalized and mythical. From a PBS show there were a number of fiction writers in the 19th century that created the myth of rugged individual in the west. The John Wayne persona who needs nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Given the geopolitics of the day that are documented along with the fact there we a number of people claiming to be the messiah, the odds are good IMO there was an historical flesh and blood Jesus on whom the tales were spun.
    Yes, imo that is one reason to think he (or to be precise some delusional fringe Jewish radical later given the name Jesus) more likely than not existed in early 1st C Judea and met an early death at the hands of the Romans.

    Beyond that, there's not much we could say, imo. He coulda done all sorts of 'magic tricks'. That was apparently at least not unusual (and still isn't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
    The preacher's claim was that the prayer worked!
    One wonders what the preacher would have claimed if the brother had made a swift recovery.
    The preacher's claim would have been that the prayer worked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruby sparks View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by James Brown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
    The preacher's claim was that the prayer worked!
    One wonders what the preacher would have claimed if the brother had made a swift recovery.
    The preacher's claim would have been that the prayer worked!
    Indeed. No matter what occurs, it's God working a miracle. Which is exactly the same scenario if there was no miracle-working God, but hey.

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