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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    That's quite rich, given the posts you've made in this thread.
    I'm not even going to ask what you're talking about. Bye. Have fun with the dodgy mind-reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruby sparks View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    That's quite rich, given the posts you've made in this thread.
    I'm not even going to ask what you're talking about. Bye. Have fun with the dodgy mind reading.
    You wouldn't get it anyway. I'm not sure there's a mansplaining translation...

    Have fun reading my mind to tell you that I'm reading your mind when I'm saying that something is my perception.

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    One more thing regarding sense of humour. Saying that men are only necessary for insemination and then going on to construct futuristic fantasies involving that. That was genuinely funny. Either that or it's a case of asking 'what sort of person even thinks like that'? You, clearly. Go you.

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    Necessary is not the same thing as desirable. Or useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruby sparks View Post
    One more thing regarding sense of humour. Saying that men are only necessary for insemination and then going on to construct futuristic fantasies involving that. That was genuinely funny. Either that or it's a case of asking 'what sort of person even thinks like that'? You, clearly. Go you.
    So, funny tangent... My sister, who is a chef, once said something similar. Entertainingly, the men in the room got quite bent. She laughed at them and said, in her inimitable way, “You think I’m just being creepy funny. Look around you. Look at the menu.. The women we keep. They lay eggs, they give milk, they breed. They are useful in large numbers. The men? There are no men, we kill them young and eat them. Pullet, veal, lamb, calf - the world doesn’t need them to grow up.”

    So, just sayin’, that was pretty funny.

    Perhaps that’s why the men get so bent. They know it’s true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ruby sparks View Post
    One more thing regarding sense of humour. Saying that men are only necessary for insemination and then going on to construct futuristic fantasies involving that. That was genuinely funny. Either that or it's a case of asking 'what sort of person even thinks like that'? You, clearly. Go you.
    So, funny tangent... My sister, who is a chef, once said something similar. Entertainingly, the men in the room got quite bent. She laughed at them and said, in her inimitable way, “You think I’m just being creepy funny. Look around you. Look at the menu.. The women we keep. They lay eggs, they give milk, they breed. They are useful in large numbers. The men? There are no men, we kill them young and eat them. Pullet, veal, lamb, calf - the world doesn’t need them to grow up.”

    So, just sayin’, that was pretty funny.

    Perhaps that’s why the men get so bent. They know it’s true.
    Personally, I might not have been too surprised. I was brought up on a farm so I know how it goes for farm animals. But I don't think of women as livestock, only really necessary for breeding and providing for me. There are and were some men who think or thought that. They are and were sometimes collectively called members of the patriarchy. In that sense the farming analogy is actually pretty good.

    Looking at things from a biological standpoint is also potentially 'useful'. That way, someone could make a case for 'natural' gender roles involving males who are bigger and stronger than females.

    It's surely all very progressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ruby sparks View Post
    One more thing regarding sense of humour. Saying that men are only necessary for insemination and then going on to construct futuristic fantasies involving that. That was genuinely funny. Either that or it's a case of asking 'what sort of person even thinks like that'? You, clearly. Go you.
    So, funny tangent... My sister, who is a chef, once said something similar. Entertainingly, the men in the room got quite bent. She laughed at them and said, in her inimitable way, “You think I’m just being creepy funny. Look around you. Look at the menu.. The women we keep. They lay eggs, they give milk, they breed. They are useful in large numbers. The men? There are no men, we kill them young and eat them. Pullet, veal, lamb, calf - the world doesn’t need them to grow up.”

    So, just sayin’, that was pretty funny.

    Perhaps that’s why the men get so bent. They know it’s true.
    But it is an important insight. It explains a large part of gender differences. It explains why men often are so sensitive to being mocked. All men are consciously (or subconsciously) aware that most men are unnecessary. All men are also made aware of this fact by seeing most women pine for a tiny elite of men. Men are adored or tolerated, pretty much. Women rarely need men. Especially not in the modern world. Men are either amazing or irrelevant. A mediocre man is often considered worthless by women. In a way a mediocre woman isn't by men. Men can't really afford to be weak, which is why we so often do so embarrassing and pathetic things to retain a feeling of some masculinity.

    A woman can cruise through life by being nice and just make friends. A man can't. A man needs to take considerable risks and succeed at something.

    It's also interesting how female friend groups work differently than male friend groups. They seem to have different functions precisely of the above.

    Another thing I think is funny is how postmodern feminists claim that men and women think the same until they have babies. When a woman has had children, then suddenly she understands things that a man never can. Well... whoop-de-do. That's what friends of science has been claiming all along.

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    We were talking about whih gender is needed most on a space colonizing ship, tho....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    We were talking about whih gender is needed most on a space colonizing ship, tho....
    I can recommend this book. It's about exactly that.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25659450-arkwright

    The planet is so far away that an inter generational ship is out of the question. So they freeze embryos (fertilised human eggs). After safely landing on the new planet they are gestated in synthetic wombs and then raised by robots. The first batch of embryos are all women. Frozen sperm is also brought from Earth which is used to fertilise the first generation of women. After which they have kids like normal. The reason for this is mathematical. It's to maximise the number of human off spring. They explain the rational behind it very well. Quite a large number is needed to avoid inbreeding down the road. Eggs and sperm are selected to maximise genetic diversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    We were talking about whih gender is needed most on a space colonizing ship, tho....
    Well, if this article about an all female employee business is any indication, I think an all female intergenerational spaceship is likely doomed before it gets out of earth orbit.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...conflict-.html

    Over in one corner sat Alice, a strong-minded 27-year-old who always said what she thought, regardless of how much it might hurt someone else. In the other corner was Sarah, a thirtysomething high-flier who would stand up for herself momentarily - then burst into tears and run for the ladies.

    Their simmering fight lasted hours, egged on by spectators taking sides and fuelling the anger. Sometimes other girls would join in, either heckling aggressively or huddling defensively in the toilets. It might sound like a scene from a tawdry reality show such as Big Brother, but the truth is a little more prosaic: it was just a normal morning in my office.

    The venomous women were supposedly the talented employees I had headhunted to achieve my utopian dream - a female- only company with happy, harmonious workers benefiting from an absence of men.

    It was an idealistic vision swiftly shattered by the nightmare reality: constant bitchiness, surging hormones, unchecked emotion, attention-seeking and fashion rivalry so fierce it tore my staff apart.
    Although, I will say to the credit of the ladies posting here that it does appear that women dress primarily for other women, and NOT for the pleasure of men:

    Fashion was a great divider, though in this battlefield everyone was on their own. Hideously stereotypical and shallow as it sounds, clothes were a huge source of catty comments, from sly remarks about people looking over-dressed to the merits of their fake tan application.

    I always felt sorry for anyone who naively showed off a new purchase in the office, because everyone would coo appreciatively to their face - then harshly criticise them as soon as they were out of earshot. This happened without exception.

    My deputy, Sarah, the general manager, first showed how much style mattered when she advertised for an office assistant and refused to hire the best-qualified girl because she could not distinguish Missoni from Marc Jacobs. This girl would have been making tea and running errands. But I didn't challenge the decision not to hire her because I had a policy of picking my battles carefully.

    The office was like a Milan catwalk, but with the competitiveness of a Miss World contest - and the low cunning of a mud-wrestling bout.

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