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    Self destruction feels good for a while. That is the problem.

    Went through drugs in the 70s, drank som,etimes a binge drinker, never used tobacco. My own experience plus what I see of many of the people I currently live with.

    Off topic, I believe now when you are truly healthy and feel good alcohols and drugs eat away at it. We are free to choose our own poison and our own road to hell so to speak..

    Right now if I drink I will not feel as good as I do now. Went through repeated cycles.

    Tobacco and alcohol kill, not as fast as opioids.



    From a spiritual perspective acrossm many traditions there is a feel good state that trumps all others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Self destruction feels good for a while. That is the problem.
    Leaving your house to enjoy anything is also something that feels good but increases your odds of harm to your person.
    By your broad use of the concept, doing anything for joy that comes with some risk (aka, living) is self destruction.
    Is driving to your friends house (risking and accident), and having a burger at his BBQ (risking heart disease) to enjoy his company and be there to celebrate his engagement and act of "suicidal self-destruction"? IF not, then it's invalid to claim drinking is outside a person with an uncontrollable addictive compulsion.


    Right now if I drink I will not feel as good as I do now.
    Great, but that is not true for many drinkers. "Feeling good" is inherently variable over time. If I drink, I usually experience an increase in pleasure, only sometimes followed by a increase in unpleasantness, but at end of that cycle I am happier I did it than if I had not and just maintained the same level of pleasure over that period. And even later, I have the added pleasure of memories of various experiences that alcohol was a causal factor in. The long term impacts on my health are part of a tomorrow that may never come and even if it does is likely to be more impacted by other factors than drinking or anything I can control from my genes, to infinite random events. It's a matter of where you want to place your bets, on healthier later years that may not come anyway or pleasure today that you can increase with risky actions, but in the end everyone loses.


    Tobacco and alcohol kill, not as fast as opioids.
    An infinite number of things kill and most of them you have no control over, and those are the ones most likely to do you in.

    Living to optimize your health in some largely uncertain future is your choice, but others live for the now, which is certainly no less (and arguably more) an act of embracing one's life than your approach, and not an act of suicide or self destruction, any more than it is to drive to the beach to enjoy a sunset and increase your risk of getting in an accident.

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    Whatever floats yoou boat, the beauty of our liberal democracy. We are entirely free to live as we choose, even if it o
    is self destructive to up to the point of immediate harm.

    Oxy has become a crisis because it brings death and deterioration quickly. Same with heroin and coke. Deemed too self destructive home illegal.

    Alcohol and tobacco and bad diet takes decades to manifest. Hence they are legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Why would philosophical bodily autonomy arguments apply to suicide euthanasia but not selling (or renting) your body parts? Why would I have the right to die (sooner) if I'm terminally ill but not have the right to do so when I'm healthy and free from the stress and guilt of being a financial burden to all those social justice warriors pleading for my right to "die with dignity".
    Thank you for once again perfectly demonstrating why cults are so insidious and detrimental to humanity. I sincerely hope your death takes several years in a forgotten and run-down "home" and you experience nothing but agonizing pain that becomes a severe and devastating emotional and financial burden on your loved ones who will be forced to watch you deteriorate year after year after year into abuse-laden dementia until your brain is finally gone and you are reduced to little more than a machine-driven pulsating meat sack of pain and suffering. And then five years later you finally die. Praise the Lord! Amen!
    Someone (who shall remain nameless) gave me neg rep for this post—saying I was “better than that”—which is interesting, because I am literally right now sitting in a hospice room with my dying mother-in-law in West Virginia and have had to deal with all manner of bible thumpers insisting—to her daughters—that they have “given up on her and Jesus” because they told the nurses what her wishes were (no forced measures). In HOSPICE. So my wife and her sister—who of course won’t leave their already brain-dead mother’s side (she has been breathing only once a minute for two fucking days now) are being further tortured by asshole cult members who say idiotic things like, “She still has some things to do and just isn’t ready to go yet, but she can hear you.”

    So for the past five days—24 hours a day (with maybe, maybe two or three hours a night in shifts) my wife and her sister have literally been holding their dead mother’s hand staring at every breath praying it’s her last and telling their brain dead mother to “move on, it’s ok, just move on, why won’t you move on” etc.

    One nurse actually said, “Her spirit won’t move on until she breathes her last breath.” It took ALL of my remaining energy—after having stayed up for 72 hours with my wife and her sister—from killing that bitch where she stood.

    It’s been a non-stop living torture for them to be under this much stress convinced that their mother is “still there” clinging to life fearing that she’s worrying about them and won’t let them go and what issues she hasn’t resolved yet (they each think it’s with them, of course) and the like and ALL because of some fucktard bible thumper cult members and their assinine beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
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    Why would philosophical bodily autonomy arguments apply to suicide euthanasia but not selling (or renting) your body parts? Why would I have the right to die (sooner) if I'm terminally ill but not have the right to do so when I'm healthy and free from the stress and guilt of being a financial burden to all those social justice warriors pleading for my right to "die with dignity".
    Thank you for once again perfectly demonstrating why cults are so insidious and detrimental to humanity. I sincerely hope your death takes several years in a forgotten and run-down "home" and you experience nothing but agonizing pain that becomes a severe and devastating emotional and financial burden on your loved ones who will be forced to watch you deteriorate year after year after year into abuse-laden dementia until your brain is finally gone and you are reduced to little more than a machine-driven pulsating meat sack of pain and suffering. And then five years later you finally die. Praise the Lord! Amen!
    Someone (who shall remain nameless) gave me neg rep for this post—saying I was “better than that”—which is interesting, because I am literally right now sitting in a hospice room with my dying mother-in-law in West Virginia and have had to deal with all manner of bible thumpers insisting—to her daughters—that they have “given up on her and Jesus” because they told the nurses what her wishes were (no forced measures). In HOSPICE. So my wife and her sister—who of course won’t leave their already brain-dead mother’s side for the past five days now (she breathes once a minute for two fucking days now—are being further tortured by asshole cult members who say idiotic things like, “She still has some things to do and just isn’t ready to go yet.”

    So for the past five days—24 hours a day (with maybe, maybe two or three hours a night in shifts) my wife and her sister have literally been holding their dead mother’s hand staring at every breath praying it’s her last and telling their brain dead mother to “move on, it’s ok, just move on, why won’t you move on” etc.

    One nurse actually said, “Her spirit won’t move on until she breathes her last breath.” It took ALL of my remaining energy—after having stayed up for 72 hours with my wife and her sister—from killing that bitch where she stood.

    It’s been a non-stop living torture for them to be under this much stress convinced that their mother is “still there” clinging to life fearing that she’s worrying about them and won’t let them go and the like and ALL because of some fucktard bible thumper cult members and their assinine beliefs.
    I'm sorry you all have to go through that. I hope it ends soon for you.

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    I have never given a negative rep point to anyone at TFF
    Not even for something as disgraceful as this;

    "...I sincerely hope your death takes several years in a forgotten and run-down "home" and you experience nothing but agonizing pain that becomes a severe and devastating emotional and financial burden on your loved ones who will be forced to watch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    I have never given a negative rep point to anyone at TFF
    Not even for something as disgraceful as this;

    "...I sincerely hope your death takes several years in a forgotten and run-down "home" and you experience nothing but agonizing pain that becomes a severe and devastating emotional and financial burden on your loved ones who will be forced to watch"
    Yeah, that was too far. Oh wait, you're now going to ask me "why do you care, atheist?"and act like I'm not human.
    Do human beings have free will? I can't decide.

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    Oh and you're also going to say I deserve to burn in Hell for eternity for being an atheist. Or that I deserve whatever punishment God decides because I'm an atheist. And also you're going to pretend you've never treated atheists like shit in 3... 2... 1...
    Do human beings have free will? I can't decide.

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    God doesn't want atheists to burn in hell. See 2 Peter 3:9
    As I said to one atheist here at TFF

    Hey there,
    I've known you on the atheosphere since...for ages.
    And I know the blurred line between attacking the idea (atheism) and attacking the person (atheist) is sometimes so virtually invisible that atheists might reasonably think I don't care about the difference. But I do.
    So I want to reach out to you one-on-one and implore you not to become so defensive of atheism - whatever that word means to you - that you let my anti-atheism become a source of personal bitterness and a fixation.
    I'm not saying it is, and I really hope that it's not how you feel.
    But I meant what I said about avoiding AvT discussions in places like this if attacks on atheism make you feel such intense negative emotions.
    If your jibes are just casual venting of the spleen, or... in vino veritas like much of the smack talk around here, that's fine.
    But every human being is of equal value and my view of atheists is informed by the Gospel of Luke 15:7
    I hope you have and/or find peace in your life. And I hope you can embrace the same mindset as me - that no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. (See Eleanor Roosevelt.)
    Best regards - Lion IRC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    If you have the so-called 'right' to end your own life then you must also have the equivalent right to sell your own body parts to the highest bidder. Folks who make snuff films might be interested.
    So this is the people will marry toasters argument against gay marriage equivalent to allowing to people to end their own lives peacefully.

    "Well, if ya allow people who are suffering greatly to end their pain... then you are just going to have to let people be able to sell their organs on eBay! Those people who married toasters will love to be able to get their beloved toasters some internal organs!"

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