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    One does not need fancy suicide machines. An overdose of sedatives will do, painless and not messy for somebody else to deal with.
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    I was on morphine for a while. Probably not a bad way to go.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

    Euthanasia is a loaded word with different contexts. Say euthanasia and images of Nazis eliminated those deemed weak comes to mind. Suicide is a choice.

    Euthanasia may be applied to an abortion based on severe problems with a fetus that are not correctable or treatable after birth.

    Eutrhanasia would be another thread.

    The Jesus character essentially committed suicide. He chose a path certain to lead to execution. Christians insist today on proselytizing in areas hostile to Christians with high risk of death. They become elevated martyrs in Christianity. To me it is suicidal, a whish to die in the service of a god.

    I have come to see alcohol;, drugs, and tobacco as a form of willful self destruction, a form of suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    One does not need fancy suicide machines. An overdose of sedatives will do, painless and not messy for somebody else to deal with.
    Sure - if you can get them.

    A lot of effort goes into making them very hard to get, particularly in sufficient quantity to assure death.

    A large overdose of an opiate is also a good way to go; But again, is very hard to obtain (unless you have criminal connections).

    And of course, both are potentially difficult for an infirm person to administer. Once you are in constant pain, such that you decide death is your best option, it's a bit late to go seeking out a heroin dealer, and quite likey you may not even be able to administer the drugs, even if you have them, without assistance.

    The point of the suicide machine is to allow someone else to assist (by setting up the machine), while leaving the patient with the ultimate decision and action - which is a nice easy button press that even a severely ill person is able to do. It's a way to try to get around laws against homicide.

    It's ridiculous that a veterinarian can be arrested and charged with cruelty for failing to end the life of a suffering animal; While a doctor can be arrested and charged with murder for ending the life of a suffering human. But such is the legacy of centuries of belief that a person's life belongs not to the individual, but to the church (as proxies for a God none of them can demonstrate to even exist).

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    We treat our pets with more dignity and humanity than our own loved ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    But such is the legacy of centuries of belief that a person's life belongs not to the individual, but to the church (as proxies for a God none of them can demonstrate to even exist).
    Yes. For when we can institute procedures to eliminate abuse, they still oppose it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    We treat our pets with more dignity and humanity than our own loved ones.
    Perhaps because of the above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    But such is the legacy of centuries of belief that a person's life belongs not to the individual, but to the church (as proxies for a God none of them can demonstrate to even exist).
    Yes. For when we can institute procedures to eliminate abuse, they still oppose it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    We treat our pets with more dignity and humanity than our own loved ones.
    Perhaps because of the above?
    No doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    We treat our pets with more dignity and humanity than our own loved ones.
    Good observation. People go to jail for not taking care of pets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    We treat our pets with more dignity and humanity than our own loved ones.
    They treat us better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    One does not need fancy suicide machines. An overdose of sedatives will do, painless and not messy for somebody else to deal with.
    Actually, most sedatives in use these days won't kill you, at least by themselves. (Combined with alcohol is another matter, though.) The medical community tries to avoid stuff where the therapeutic dose is at all close to the lethal dose. (Acetaminophen would never make it through modern drug testing standards because the ratio is only 10:1.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post

    I have come to see alcohol;, drugs, and tobacco as a form of willful self destruction, a form of suicide.
    That's silly. That would make every pleasurable act that carries health risk a form of suicide, including skiing, eating red meat, even staying single or getting divorced (married men live longer).
    Drugs can be used to self destruct, but most of the time they are used for pleasure, with the user enjoying the experience of being alive while doing it and not interest not being alive. IOW, virtually the opposite psychology of suicide. How one prioritizes longevity versus immediate pleasurable experiences has nothing to due with how one values being alive.


    Euthanasia would be another thread.
    Agreed, b/c when I hear "euthanasia", I think of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iQN3-t0tbA

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