The Morality Of Martyrdom

[steve_bank]

Suicide is general a cultural and religious taboo.Marterdom in the service of an imagined deity is condoed glorious by some religious folk.

Perhaps ensuring s position in haven.

The Muslim suicide bombers who thinks they get a bunch of virgin women in heaven.

Is there a difference between suicide and martyrdom knowingly preaching in a situation that liley brings death?

Current examples are North Korea and Saudi Arabia. There has been nothing recently but PR preaching against the Saudi orthodoxy and converting away from Islam, apostasy, or turning to atheism can get a death penalty.

[Politesse]

Everyone has something worth dying for, if they're brave enough when the time comes. So much the better if it is also something worth living for. Or by.

[untermensche]

There is no morality in dying for a delusion.

It is stupidity. Good old human stupidity.

[Politesse]

There is no morality in dying for a delusion.

It is stupidity. Good old human stupidity.

You'll die whether or not you're clever, my friend, and whether or not you find a purpose worth dedicating it to.

[untermensche]

Non-sequitur.

[Lion IRC]

martyr
1. a person who is killed by others

Suicide bomber
1. a person who kills others

[untermensche]

A martyr is just somebody who gives up their life for a cause they and others believe in.

If they kill others in the cause that is meaningless.

[Loren Pechtel]

Suicide is acceptable, so suicide in pursuit of a goal is acceptable.

Where it becomes evil is when you kill non-combatants in the process.

(Killing combatants is acceptable. If someone volunteered to be a kamikaze pilot there's nothing immoral.)

[steve_bank]

I do not think the consensus here in the Christian majority USA accepts suicide. Martyrdom is acceptable. Even glorified.

[jab]

Suicide is general a cultural and religious taboo.Marterdom in the service of an imagined deity is condoed glorious by some religious folk.

Perhaps ensuring s position in haven.

The Muslim suicide bombers who thinks they get a bunch of virgin women in heaven.

Is there a difference between suicide and martyrdom knowingly preaching in a situation that liley brings death?

Current examples are North Korea and Saudi Arabia. There has been nothing recently but PR preaching against the Saudi orthodoxy and converting away from Islam, apostasy, or turning to atheism can get a death penalty.

martyrdom and suicide are not synonymous. martyrdom means taking a stand or position knowing that it could or would get you killed, and then that knowledge being fulfilled. Suicide is killing yourself. The suicide bombers, when not coerced--as a few are--are cowards, afraid to face the consequences of their actions.