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    We have equal or more evidence for the Jesus miracles than we have for most historical facts from that period.

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    Regardless of your "definitions," if there's evidence that a certain event happened, like the Jesus resurrection, or the healing acts, it's DOGMATIC to pronounce that they could not have happened (despite the evidence) because it's impossible for such events to happen.
    Would it be better to question the veracity of the claim seeing no one bothered to write about it for decades after the alleged guy's death?
    The first written account about the resurrection, which has survived, is from Paul, about 55 AD, 25 years later. Then we have the later accounts from 70-100 AD, which give earlier information about Jesus, including the healing miracles.

    This is a normal time gap for historical events 2000 years ago, or even a shorter time gap than the norm. It is normal to rely on accounts 100 years later than the reported events.

    It's not correct to say "no one bothered to write about it" any earlier than these accounts which survived. For most of the historical events probably there were earlier written accounts than the ones which have survived. It's assumed that there was the earlier Q Document relied on by Luke and Matthew. And there were probably some other short written accounts which perished. Most documents were lost, while the ones which survive are a small fraction of the total documents written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpenproletariat View Post
    We have equal or more evidence for the Jesus miracles than we have for most historical facts from that period.
    Hardly. If you are claiming that tales = evidence than we have a hell of a lot more evidence for alien visitations and alien abductions, Santa Claus, bigfoot, trolls, fairies, etc. than we have for Jesus.

    As for evidence for historical facts from that period, we have anthropological excavations that turn up bones and weapons where battles were recorded to have been, sarcophagi identifying the person inside, ruins and charred wood where a city was recorded to have been under siege, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpenproletariat View Post
    We have equal or more evidence for the Jesus miracles than we have for most historical facts from that period.
    Nonsense. The Biblical stories are works of fiction, a combination of existing mythology that predates the Bible, and stories based on divine revelation/inspiration, as some Christians claim. It is impossible for the authors of the Bible to have gained knowledge of many of the events described in the book, so they must have made it up. That is the only reasonable conclusion.

    You are free to tell us why the Bible stories should be considered credible. How did the author come by these stories, i.e what is their source? What kind of fact checking did the author employ to check the veracity of the stories? How can we fact-check these stories? And so on. But you are not going to do that because you have nothing. You are going to ignore all posts that ask for clarifications and details, and keep repeating your absurd and untrue claim.

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