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    I've been using cloth totes since the early 80s, but that's just not enough. Most of what I buy is made of plastic or packaged in plastic. I don't see an easy fix to the mess. Depressing. The states that are banning plastic bags -- obviously a good baby step, as that's one place we don't need the damn stuff at all. When I'm in a big box store, seeing happy customers wheeling their purchases out the door, having used 15, or 20, or 25 bags (when they start the double bagging it gets surreal), I get all self-righteous. How hard is it to keep totes in your car? How much neater is your house without all those bags? Sheeeeesh. And words that are stronger than sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ideologyhunter View Post
    I've been using cloth totes since the early 80s, but that's just not enough. Most of what I buy is made of plastic or packaged in plastic. I don't see an easy fix to the mess. Depressing. The states that are banning plastic bags -- obviously a good baby step, as that's one place we don't need the damn stuff at all. When I'm in a big box store, seeing happy customers wheeling their purchases out the door, having used 15, or 20, or 25 bags (when they start the double bagging it gets surreal), I get all self-righteous. How hard is it to keep totes in your car? How much neater is your house without all those bags? Sheeeeesh. And words that are stronger than sheesh.
    I confess that my worst habit is that while I have lots of totes, I don't always have one or two or three in my car. And worse, sometimes, I forget that I DO have them in my car. Not that it's really much (or any) better, but in my area, grocery stores use paper bags unless you request otherwise. Target is the only big box store I shop other than very rarely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    Okay, I didn't make up the evidence that excess plastic contributes to global warming. There are numerous articles about this.
    Not really. You link to a study that states (paraphrase) "plastic releases "greenhouse gasses" when exposed to sunlight that may have an effect on climate". There is zero evidence that this is affecting climate.

    “Considering the amounts of plastic washing ashore on our coastlines our finding provides further evidence that we need to stop plastic production, especially single-use plastic,” said David Karl, of the University of Hawaii.
    Agenda driven bullshit.


    And no doubt somewhere in the study will be a phrase like, "more funding is required to study this phenomenon".

    It's bullshit, junk science.


    I'm all for recycling plastic and keeping it out of the oceans etc.

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    I didn't intend to make this thread political or about climate change, but I am curious why TSwissle believes that what the majority of scientists are claiming is just junk science.

    First I will tell you my initial experience in learning about climate change.

    About 15 or so years ago, I attended a lecture about global warming, given by a well respected geology professor. He presented numerous charts that showed the changes that had developed rapidly, shortly after the start of the Industrial Revolution. He also explained lots of information as to how the sudden increase in carbon output impacted global temperatures. Since that time, changes have been moving faster. Natural types of climate change happen much more slowly. Now, if evidence were to come available to convince most scientists that this was misinformation, I am open minded to hear about it. I had no idea that plastic may also be a contributing factor, until I read about it recently. Sorry if that comment triggered such an emotional response. It could have simply been ignored, as it had very little to do with the intention of this thread. I just thought it was interesting. But, I digress.

    If the 95% or so percent of climate scientists are wrong, that would be great, but at the same time, climate change is influenced by the same things that cause air and water pollution. So, it makes sense to try and change a culture that is so dependent on petroleum based products, even if you deny climate change.

    But again, that wasn't the primary reason for starting this discussion. I had never given that much thought as to how many common products that we use are made from plastic and I thought it was interesting how many changes the woman in the linked article had to make in order to live an almost plastic free life.

    And, sure it would be nice if all of us were civil when we disagree. I don't get my feelings hurt by people who try to insult me. But, insults add nothing to any discussion. Attacking me or telling me that all of the evidence for climate change in junk science really isn't helpful, nor is it convincing. You need to back that up with some convincing evidence. The thread in the political forum would be good place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    I didn't intend to make this thread political or about climate change, but I am curious why TSwissle believes that what the majority of scientists are claiming is just junk science.
    You brought up a study that is agenda driven bullshit. Don't get all prissy when I point that out to you.

    "triggered" Behave yourself.


    It really is a religion for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    I didn't intend to make this thread political or about climate change, but I am curious why TSwissle believes that what the majority of scientists are claiming is just junk science.
    You brought up a study that is agenda driven bullshit. Don't get all prissy when I point that out to you.

    "triggered" Behave yourself.


    It really is a religion for you.
    You don't know me and have no idea what I think. But, thanks so much for telling me why you think climate change is junk science. ( now that was sarcasm )

    You could have simply ignored that one line about climate change, since it was a minor detail of the thread. It never even occurred to me that mentioning it would cause someone to become upset enough to respond with an insult. I simply thought it was interesting to point out but I would have also been interested in any convincing evidence that you may have as to why you think it's "junk science".

    But, thanks a lot for derailing the thread so quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    I confess that my worst habit is that while I have lots of totes, I don't always have one or two or three in my car.
    You have a car ?!! YOU MONSTER !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    And worse, sometimes, I forget that I DO have them in my car.
    I always have a few bags in my car but occasionally I do forget to take them in to the store with me. But on these occasions I tell the checker not to use their bags and just put the stuff in my cart. I pop the stuff in the bags when I get to my car. My wife always has a nylon bag she has in her purse. It is folded up into itself and takes up very little room. We are seldom caught without a bag of our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    I confess that my worst habit is that while I have lots of totes, I don't always have one or two or three in my car.
    You have a car ?!! YOU MONSTER !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    And worse, sometimes, I forget that I DO have them in my car.
    I always have a few bags in my car but occasionally I do forget to take them in to the store with me. But on these occasions I tell the checker not to use their bags and just put the stuff in my cart. I pop the stuff in the bags when I get to my car. My wife always has a nylon bag she has in her purse. It is folded up into itself and takes up very little room. We are seldom caught without a bag of our own.
    It's a really smart idea to keep one of those bags in my purse. Currently, the ones I have are all too bulky but I've seen exactly what you are talking about.

    Yeah, I used to feel really bad about driving such a long distance to go to work but I really wanted to have a decent job and so I was kind of stuck as hubby's job is truly a walking commute for him, so moving would not have improved our overall carbon footprint. BUT I do drive a very fuel efficient car and since I'm no longer commuting to work, I think I'm only on my first tank of gas for the year. Maybe the second but no more than that. When I was commuting, I filled up every week....

    Changes in the climate are showing easily observable effects in northern (and I dare say southern) latitudes. It's definitely affecting wildlife in my state and my grow zone for gardening is now...more friendly. Which works out great for me but not so great for wildlife.

    Hopefully, Steely Dan was mistaken and California won't fall into the sea....

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    This looks promising. I watched the story on 60 Minutes and there were not the usual caveats at the end to tell the viewer, this isn't happening anytime soon. There's also some heavy-hitters on the Board of Directors. I think the guy might be serious.

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