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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Prayerphobia.
    To combat the effects of accidentally hearing someone pray, hang several garlic cloves around neck and wrap head in tinfoil.
    Don't panic. Medical authorities advise that audible prayer does no harm to bystanders.
    Personally, I don't care if people pray. Prayer and meditation are generally good for people's health and people ought to have liberty to speak as they see fit. Generally. There are exceptions such as when it makes no sense, like as a substitute for science classes or whatever. Also, forcing people to pray is the opposite of liberty. So as you can see, I have no "Prayerphobia."

    Now, in context and context is everything, by the way, this is about politicians. Politicians are not trustworthy persons. Do you really think they are not hypocrites? If you read what Jesus allegedly said in the New Testament, he allegedly said to pray in a closet for exactly the reason that these politicians are out doing it publicly, for attention to themselves--to say "hey look, I'm a religious person everyone." No, he allegedly said that when you go to do things with more than one purpose such as praying out loud in front of everyone for everyone to see, that's hypocrisy.

    So, could you tell me why you support politicians being hypocrites?
    Even without force it can be a tool of intimidation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    Prayerphobia.
    To combat the effects of accidentally hearing someone pray, hang several garlic cloves around neck and wrap head in tinfoil.
    Don't panic. Medical authorities advise that audible prayer does no harm to bystanders.
    Personally, I don't care if people pray. Prayer and meditation are generally good for people's health and people ought to have liberty to speak as they see fit. Generally. There are exceptions such as when it makes no sense, like as a substitute for science classes or whatever. Also, forcing people to pray is the opposite of liberty. So as you can see, I have no "Prayerphobia."

    Now, in context and context is everything, by the way, this is about politicians. Politicians are not trustworthy persons. Do you really think they are not hypocrites? If you read what Jesus allegedly said in the New Testament, he allegedly said to pray in a closet for exactly the reason that these politicians are out doing it publicly, for attention to themselves--to say "hey look, I'm a religious person everyone." No, he allegedly said that when you go to do things with more than one purpose such as praying out loud in front of everyone for everyone to see, that's hypocrisy.

    So, could you tell me why you support politicians being hypocrites?
    Even without force it can be a tool of intimidation.
    None of that matters to what I wrote to Lion IRC. The second paragraph is key.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew, Chapter 6, King James Version
    1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

    2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

    4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

    5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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    Christian is as christian does. It hardly matters what something says in someone's magic book that they've never read. Klansmen are christians FFS. White supremacists and slaves were christian. How the fuck does that all work?

    It's because the label can mean whatever you want it to mean, and is why christians have been murdering each other for centuries over what they want "christian" to mean. Anymore when you hear someone profess their "christianity" they're simply proclaiming their avowed moral superiority and their right to do whatever they wish because they're waving their christian flag.

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