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    I live on a terrace formation, lots of gravel and the kind of soil and rock found in river bottoms but well above sea level. The deposits were placed here by glaciers as I understand it.

    If a big magical flood caused the ground to be like it is where I live it would contain oodles of terrestrial debris, so too those mountaintop deposits. But it doesn't, and neither do those mountaintop deposits, demonstrating quite convincingly that they weren't put there by a magical flood.

    Tsunamis and their signatures do occur, however.

    Just another example of religionists attempting to use science to disprove science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronzeage View Post
    Presenting seashells which are found far from the ocean as evidence of the Flood of Genesis, only impresses other Creationists. Naturalists and scientists have not entertained this fantasy for the last 150 years, or so. Presenting scientific evidence to creationists is a waste of time.
    Of course it is a waste. The Bible says nothing about tectonic plates or plate uplift where they collide so it is not true. Anyone who would believe such nonsense is just accepting atheistic hand waving.

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    This one is a no brainer.

    It is clear from geological evidence deserts today were once seas. Thet were covered by water but not at the same time.

    You can find marine fossils in deserts. Monument Valley in the USA has gigantic structures carved by ancient waters.

    Dinosaurs roamed whqt we call the USA.

    There is evidence of massive floods originating in the mid west running to the Pacific. Evidence indicates a larger water build up behind an ice dam that periodically ruptured.

    Here in Washington the sediment led to a great wine region in Eastern Washington.

    There are crocodile and tortoise fossils in the arctic.

    It can be a long list. The fact that there are marine fossils on mountains is consistent with geology and archeology.

    There are marine fossils in the Sahara. There are periods when the Sahara is wet and green. It is depicted in cave drawings found in modern times. It explains how humans were able to pass from Africa to Europe and elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronzeage View Post
    Presenting seashells which are found far from the ocean as evidence of the Flood of Genesis, only impresses other Creationists. Naturalists and scientists have not entertained this fantasy for the last 150 years, or so. Presenting scientific evidence to creationists is a waste of time.
    I know it may seem that way, but this former Young Earth Creationist was converted to Old Earth Creationism thanks to online opponents making the case for the scientific evidence.


    Index of Creationist Claims
    CC364: Marine fossils on mountaintops

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalbip View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bronzeage View Post
    Presenting seashells which are found far from the ocean as evidence of the Flood of Genesis, only impresses other Creationists. Naturalists and scientists have not entertained this fantasy for the last 150 years, or so. Presenting scientific evidence to creationists is a waste of time.
    Of course it is a waste. The Bible says nothing about tectonic plates or plate uplift where they collide so it is not true.
    Actually in the day of Pele the world became divided. There was a little lag in the tectonics splitting apart quite suddenly and in a large way. So much so, they mention it as an aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
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    Presenting seashells which are found far from the ocean as evidence of the Flood of Genesis, only impresses other Creationists. Naturalists and scientists have not entertained this fantasy for the last 150 years, or so. Presenting scientific evidence to creationists is a waste of time.
    Of course it is a waste. The Bible says nothing about tectonic plates or plate uplift where they collide so it is not true.
    Actually in the day of Pele the world became divided. There was a little lag in the tectonics splitting apart quite suddenly and in a large way. So much so, they mention it as an aside.
    It's a little strange that they fail to mention that they all died from the earthquakes and tsunamis the sudden large plate movement caused.

    I mean, one of the most comprehensively studied large tectonic shifts in modern times was the Tohōku megathrust earthquake that occurred off the coast of Japan on 11 March 2011. It generated a tsunami over 40 metres high.

    It was the result of a tectonic plate movement of just 2.4m across a 500km front.

    To separate the Americas from Africa/Europe would imply a quake (or series of quakes) across a front two hundred times as long, with a plate movement a thousand times as large.

    Unless this amount of movement occurred very gradually over thousands of millions of years, it would produce some spectacular earthquakes and tsunamis. If it happened in less than ten thousand years, it's unlikely that any life would have survived in either the Americas, Africa, or Europe - and we haven't even started to consider the simultaneous effects of other inter-plate rifts, subduction zones, and other faults.

    Like most religious tales, this one makes perfect sense, as long as you completely ignore several well studied areas of human knowledge. That is, you could be forgiven for believing it, but only if you were subject to a pre-industrial level of education about how reality actually works.

    Yet again, we see that knowing stuff is the cure for religion; And that religions can only survive by demanding ignorance of their followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Actually in the day of Peleg the world became divided. There was a little lag in the tectonics splitting apart quite suddenly and in a large way. So much so, they mention it as an aside.
    It's a little strange that they fail to mention that they all died from the earthquakes and tsunamis the sudden large plate movement caused.

    I mean, one of the most comprehensively studied large tectonic shifts in modern times was the Tohōku megathrust earthquake that occurred off the coast of Japan on 11 March 2011. It generated a tsunami over 40 metres high.

    It was the result of a tectonic plate movement of just 2.4m across a 500km front.

    To separate the Americas from Africa/Europe would imply a quake (or series of quakes) across a front two hundred times as long, with a plate movement a thousand times as large.

    Unless this amount of movement occurred very gradually over thousands of millions of years, it would produce some spectacular earthquakes and tsunamis. If it happened in less than ten thousand years, it's unlikely that any life would have survived in either the Americas, Africa, or Europe - and we haven't even started to consider the simultaneous effects of other inter-plate rifts, subduction zones, and other faults.

    Like most religious tales, this one makes perfect sense, as long as you completely ignore several well studied areas of human knowledge. That is, you could be forgiven for believing it, but only if you were subject to a pre-industrial level of education about how reality actually works.

    Yet again, we see that knowing stuff is the cure for religion; And that religions can only survive by demanding ignorance of their followers.
    That is nothing a bit of evangelical zest can't do away with. The obvious big issue with YEC trying to use science is they deny very slow processes of plate tectonics and evolution, which then requires them to embrace wickedly fast processes of plate tectonics and evolution and hope no one notices the absolute lunacy of their positions.

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