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    Quote Originally Posted by PyramidHead View Post
    BACK ON TOPIC.

    Brian Williams, in his segment about the #MyBernieStory hashtag trending on Twitter, decided that the most representative and balanced tweet to show as an example was this, a tweet that could have easily been ripped directly from a Koyaanisqatsi polemic:



    Who is this horse, and why is his anonymous tweet being featured on national news? Well.

    Hyello fellow Amyerican citizen, I would like to point out that The Bots create much problem for democracy, as you can tell from my reference to Wheel of Fortune - Amyerica's Game - where other fellow citizens bid amounts in dollars. Am quite connected to ordinary citizen's desires, da?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
    They caved under the onslaught of lobbying and the Republican steamroller.
    Says the amature from the cheap seats who's never spent a day in politics and has no clue what he's talking about.

    Everybody's a fucking director.

    The fight that you are talking about has been raging for almost the entire twentieth and twenty-first centuries and was FINALLY won, in part, by Obama, but only after extensive compromise and on the shoulders of those decades prior. Sanders himself conceded openly that the ONLY way he would be able to get any of his proposals implemented would be if he had 80% of the entire American populace behind him after being elected--and then that only as a starting point, not a fait accompli.

    You're judging Sisyphus for not just pushing the boulder over that final top part there. I mean, why wouldn't he just do that?

    It would have been a strong signal to the Bernie fans that she'd brought one of them on board.
    Once again, the "Bernie" fans consisted of only around 5-6% of the Democratic voters, which, normally (when there isn't a massive clandestine influencing campaign being conducted by a foreign nation) is statistically irrelevant. As it stood and in the end, the overwhelming majority of them voted for Clinton. But of note is the fact that 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump. That's the company you keep.

    Plus, the overwhelming choice from Democratic voters was Warren as her VP, but two women on the same first-ever Female POTUS ticket would be a tremendous hurdle to overcome, regardless of 30% of Dem voters backing the idea. There are, unfortunately, far too many "conservative" Democrats (read: sexist) still in the party; an issue that she had already faced and known about since 2008.

    And as this in depth PBS piece on sexism in the 2016 election reported:

    Sanders developed a loyal following, but it mainly consisted of young people, including a vanguard of “Bernie Bros,” and older white men.

    Not all male Sanders supporters are flagrant sexists, of course. Most aren’t. They responded to Sanders’ economic message and unvarnished campaign trail persona. He successfully cast himself as an outsider candidate despite his decades-long career in Congress, which is no small feat. The 74-year-old socialist senator from Vermont turned out to be a much better fundraiser than anybody expected. Bernie struck a nerve. At the same time, it’s not a coincidence that so many white men chose him over the female alternative.

    “I don’t think there’s any question that there’s gender bias,” said Ryan Geiser, 29, an ardent Sanders supporter from Bellevue, Pa. Geiser, who is white, said that he didn’t base his decision on gender, but knows plenty of Sanders supporters who did. “If Sanders had gone up against a man who had the same politics as Hillary, he wouldn’t have done as well because more white men would have voted for the other guy.” There is strong evidence that subconscious bias shaped the way white men viewed Clinton in the primaries. So just imagine how much sexism could impact the general election, now that Clinton is running against Donald Trump.
    And then quadruple it if the ticket had been Clinton/Warren (or, as Trump would have put it, "Crooked Hillary and Pocahontas").

    What did Tim Kaine get her?
    Well, she won the popular vote by almost three million, in the third largest raw vote tally in US history, second only to the record holder, Barack Obama (nearly tying his 2012 numbers), beating every single white male Presidential candidate in history. And she did that IN SPITE OF the Comey effect and the massive Russian clandestine information warfare that weaponized both Trump and Sanders, who wasted hundreds of millions of dollars and at least six months of time and resources on a pointless civil war attack against her--and the DNC party itself--that accounts, url=https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds]single-handedly[/url], for Trump being in the WH.

    Had Sanders left the race--like all intelligent losing candidates do--at the point in the primary where it was not possible for him to win (iow, late March), he would not have caused a pointless civil war; would not have wasted everyone's time and resources on bitter infighting over policies that were not "his" in the first place and he openly admitted he couldn't implement; and would have instead meant a united front entirely focused for six months on the actual evil in the race, Donald Trump.

    In those six months, Clinton, as is so often erroneously argued, would have visited every blue state a hundred times over, so the idiotic sophistry that it was her lack of presence (in just one state) that caused her EC loss would have at least never arisen to be repeated ad nauseum by other people who don't know what they're talking about, but that would have been just a personal boon to me and others having to constantly point out how idiotic that logic actually is.

    Plus, bringing Sanders onto her platform (as with Warren) would have lost her far more votes among Democrats--particularly minorities--than she might have gained among the youth voters who didn't turn out regardless. And remember what no one ever does; Sanders went to the blue states to campaign FOR Hillary after his zombie primary destruction finally came to an end and it didn't do shit.

    Yes, I know, it's all Hillary's fault and blah blah blah idiotic gainsaying bullshit, but the problem with that knee jerk response is that, it argues first that Sanders has some sort of magical quality that would have swayed voters no matter what obstacle he had to surmount. But he couldn't surmount that obstacle among his own alleged constituents, which proves HE was ineffectual.

    Of course, when you spend a year shitting on someone and then hypocritically turn around to praise them, it's a hard slice, but then, it's also your own fucking fault that you poisoned your own well in the first place.

    Regardless and again, in spite of anyone's political acumen (or lack thereof), one need only point to the fact that the right (and the Russians) backed Sanders to win against Clinton. There would be only one reason to do that. They knew they had a much better chance to beat Sanders.

    Think about that if nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Once again, the "Bernie" fans consisted of only around 5-6% of the Democratic voters, which, normally (when there isn't a massive clandestine influencing campaign being conducted by a foreign nation) is statistically irrelevant. As it stood and in the end, the overwhelming majority of them voted for Clinton. But of note is the fact that 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump. That's the company you keep.
    And the company you keep https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016

    Pray tell, though, why you think those votes were Clinton's birthright - since, well, most are not registered Democrats.

    And wasn't she similarly unable to surmount that obstacle among her own alleged constituents? Pray tell how Sanders 12% defection of his some 13 million primary voters is a failure, when Clinton's 8% defection of registered Democrats, against the actual evil in the race, is a resounding success.

    I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out which percentage is bigger.

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