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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    He saw combat in WWII and received a medal for bravery as a communications runner.

    Goebbels was important as head of propaganda. Obviously no one does what he did without allies and support. In the Night Of The Long Knives he got rid of any aly that could be a threat.

    In the past I found translations of WWII Nazi documents. One was a record of meeting with Hitler disusing a meeting between Molotov the Russian foreign minister and the Germans foreign minister before Barbarossa.

    Cleary Hitler was articulating policy and was in control of the situation with Russia. He played Molotov and Stalin expertly. Even as troops massed on the border Stalin dismissed Allied intelligence warnings as fake.
    He was a rear echelon soldier, attached to a headquarters as a dispatch runner. Such were often favorites among the officers and hence more likely to be decorated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Parker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    He saw combat in WWII and received a medal for bravery as a communications runner.

    Goebbels was important as head of propaganda. Obviously no one does what he did without allies and support. In the Night Of The Long Knives he got rid of any aly that could be a threat.

    In the past I found translations of WWII Nazi documents. One was a record of meeting with Hitler disusing a meeting between Molotov the Russian foreign minister and the Germans foreign minister before Barbarossa.

    Cleary Hitler was articulating policy and was in control of the situation with Russia. He played Molotov and Stalin expertly. Even as troops massed on the border Stalin dismissed Allied intelligence warnings as fake.
    He was a rear echelon soldier, attached to a headquarters as a dispatch runner. Such were often favorites among the officers and hence more likely to be decorated.
    Yes, and his officer was Jewish. He ended up getting exempted from deportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    He saw combat in WWII and received a medal for bravery as a communications runner. ...
    Do you mean World War I? In WWII, he stayed behind the scenes the whole time, just like every other high-level military and political leader after communications got good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    He saw combat in WWII and received a medal for bravery as a communications runner. ...
    Do you mean World War I? In WWII, he stayed behind the scenes the whole time, just like every other high-level military and political leader after communications got good enough.
    He had 3 or 4 forward command centers. He also had a train. If you look on a map the distances are not that large.

    The attempted bombing of Hitler occurred at a Polish command center.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf%27s_Lair

    Wolf's Lair (German: Wolfsschanze; Polish: Wilczy Szaniec) was Adolf Hitler's first Eastern Front military headquarters in World War II.[1] The complex, which became one of several Führerhauptquartiere (Führer Headquarters) in various parts of Eastern Europe, was built for the start of Operation Barbarossa – the invasion of the Soviet Union – in 1941. It was constructed by Organisation Todt

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
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    He [Hitler] used meth regularly, as did many of his lieutenants. Drug use was a gigantic part of the Nazi success, and an indispensable part of Hitler's personal success.
    Actually there was a very interesting show on PBS last night called "World War Speed". About the use of Pervitin by the Nazi air force, navy, and army and subsequent deployment of Benzadrine by the British and Americans. Millions of pills were issued by Eisenhower prior to D-Day. For the Battle of El-Amain Monty issued huge doses. The Germans started having second thoughts later in the war and cut back on their use. It tended to cause soldiers to take unnecessary risks that resulted in high casualty rates.

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    Incompetent? Undeniable, as attested by the wreckage of the Thousand Year Reich after 12 years. Lazy? I'm unconvinced, so far. Narcissistic? To the point of blindness. His dream world was absolute. I agree with a previous post that Mein Kampf is amateurish and a thick slog of a read. He has whole chapters on the skills necessary to a leader, and he goes on and on about the art of oratory. Every so often he describes the ultimate leader, the one who weds his vision to the passions of the German masses, and here he's clearly stating that he is the man of destiny. In one of his speeches -- it may have been in '33 when he assumed power -- he refers to Germany as the bride and himself as the groom: "You have found me!!" (An interesting recent book with some original insights into Hitler's thinking is Hitler's Private Library by Timothy W. Ryback. Ryback made an analysis of about 1000 books from Hitler's personal collection that are now sitting in storage in the Library of Congress. So strange -- and wouldn't Hitler have raged to think that shelves of his books would end up in the U.S.)

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    From a documentary he fostered the image of a celibate leader married to the state. Women adored him.

    In reality he had a series of relationships, one with a young cousin or niece who eventually committed suicide.

    His public persona, hos clothes, and his gestures were all a crafted political creations.

    He also crafted the image of the long suffering lowly person who had little. In reality he made a lot of money writing books before his actual rise. Mein Kempf was global. In a sanitized version it was popular in the USA.

    It is hard to say what he really thought. Hitler and the top leaders were a cleptochracy. A corrupt criminal enterprise massing wealth and land and who lived lavishly. Swiss banks played a role serving the top Nazis.

    Hitler managed to get himself exempted from taxes.

    Was he a real German patriot or was he out for wealth from the start. Who knows.

    IMO Hitler got carried away with himself as did Napoleon. They could not just restrain themselves.

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    And yet he was supported by people who were generally the opposite.

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    Right. I find a strain of contempt for the masses in Hitler -- in spite of all the master race malarkey, how much respect can you have for a group that you can so thoroughly control? This strain also comes out unmistakeably in the surviving Goebbels diaries, which are a compulsively fascinating read.

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    We touched on it in a political science class. Like Trump Hitler was an expert in pushing cultural buttons. In today's parlance he promoted 'make Germany great again'. A return to readitional values.

    The Christian church was in decline and they jumped on the Nazi platform.

    Triumph Of The Will is cobserd the gretest propaganda film of all time. It should be online with subtitles. There was no TV, the movie and oters were what they saw in movie theaters.

    Blood And Earth was a visual image of German culture rooted in the soil. The movie has a number of images.


    If you want to understand watch the movie. It was classified post war and released in the 70s. It was feared it could stir up Nazism. I saw it in college.

    You can watch Hitler's practiced repertoire ore of gestures and facial expressions and voice intonations. A master of control. Relatively Trump is a pale shadow. Hitler had specific goals and intent and understood what he was doing.

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