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    Kama Sutra on Abstinence

    There was a quote posted on Fundies Say The Darnedest Things.

    It was a response to the statement: If atheism is a religion, then 'abstinence' is a 'sex position.'

    Someone replied by saying "Abstinence is, indeed, a position on the subject of premarital sex. Therefore atheism is a religion."

    So, this scholar is pretending that 'position' in 'sex position' means 'opinion.'
    But that doesn't work if we reverse polarity. If someone asks, 'what is your position on sex education in middle school?' then 'missionary' isn't much of an answer.

    But the discussion did make me wonder, if abstinence were a sex position, what would the kama sutra have for it? Or the brahmachari sutra?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    If someone asks, 'what is your position on sex education in middle school?' then 'missionary' isn't much of an answer.
    Of course. "Doggy style" is the correct answer in that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Someone replied by saying "Abstinence is, indeed, a position on the subject of premarital sex. Therefore atheism is a religion."
    Therefore atheism is a position on the subject of religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiploc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Someone replied by saying "Abstinence is, indeed, a position on the subject of premarital sex. Therefore atheism is a religion."
    Therefore atheism is a position on the subject of religion.
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    If someone asks, 'what is your position on sex education in middle school?' then 'missionary' isn't much of an answer.
    Of course. "Doggy style" is the correct answer in that case.
    Indeed. 'Missionary' in a public school would be a violation of the Establishment Clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas II View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiploc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Someone replied by saying "Abstinence is, indeed, a position on the subject of premarital sex. Therefore atheism is a religion."
    Therefore atheism is a position on the subject of religion.
    Yep.
    Agreed, but even that only applies to strong atheism. Weak atheism, merely lacking belief in God, wouldn't even qualify as having an position/opinion about the subject of religion, but rather merely the absence of an affirmative position. People sometimes mistake that for agnosticism but it isn't. While agnostics do also lack a position about God, agnosticism also entails the opinion that it is impossible to have a knowledge-based opinion about God.

    Oh, and very funny Keith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronburgundy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas II View Post

    Yep.
    Agreed, but even that only applies to strong atheism. Weak atheism, merely lacking belief in God, wouldn't even qualify as having an position/opinion about the subject of religion, but rather merely the absence of an affirmative position.
    Let there be a line segment. We'll label the right third, "People who believe that gods exist, and the left third, "People who believe that gods do not exist." The middle third, we'll call, "People who don't believe either way."

    If the right and left ends are places, positions, then the middle is too.

    And atheism is the left and middle together, everything but the right third. The middle and left are still a place, a position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiploc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ronburgundy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas II View Post

    Yep.
    Agreed, but even that only applies to strong atheism. Weak atheism, merely lacking belief in God, wouldn't even qualify as having an position/opinion about the subject of religion, but rather merely the absence of an affirmative position.
    Let there be a line segment. We'll label the right third, "People who believe that gods exist, and the left third, "People who believe that gods do not exist." The middle third, we'll call, "People who don't believe either way."

    If the right and left ends are places, positions, then the middle is too.

    And atheism is the left and middle together, everything but the right third. The middle and left are still a place, a position.

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    I note that the Kama Sutra does in fact have a very positive attitude toward abstinence, especially as one well-bounded component of one's overall erotic life. Essentially, as a sex position of sorts. Or at least, as per the OP, a position with respect to sexual conduct that is sometimes very appropriate. For example, it suggests that total abstinence during the first week of a new marriage is far superior to trying to unleash your entire pent up adolescence-worth of sexual frustration on your partner on the first night you're together.

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    Atheism does not need the presence or existence of religion. In a world without religion, atheism is universal.

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