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    If X is our human nature, then it would be only there because of the environment that gave birth to us. Seems like we are islands that oceans make, change or destroy.
    Which effectively eliminates the idea of free will?
    Wally: Is human motivation the result of genetics or environment?

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    If X is our human nature, then it would be only there because of the environment that gave birth to us. Seems like we are islands that oceans make, change or destroy.
    Which effectively eliminates the idea of free will?
    Wally: Is human motivation the result of genetics or environment?

    Pointy-Haired Boss. Both. Duh. But I called you in here so we could discuss your poor job performance.

    Wally: We just did. You said it wasn't my fault.
    The ability to make decisions, skills, abilities, adaption, drive, will, are not necessarily examples of 'free will'

    Wallly's problems are more complex than his flippant manner suggests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    If X is our human nature, then it would be only there because of the environment that gave birth to us. Seems like we are islands that oceans make, change or destroy.
    Which effectively eliminates the idea of free will?
    The ocean/universe would create free will and affect it and even end it.

    And any outcome from free will could also defy any set of human natures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
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    If X is our human nature, then it would be only there because of the environment that gave birth to us. Seems like we are islands that oceans make, change or destroy.
    Which effectively eliminates the idea of free will?
    The ocean/universe would create free will and affect it and even end it.

    And any outcome from free will could also defy any set of human natures.
    How is that possible? It needs to be described with a given definition of free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    The ocean/universe would create free will and affect it and even end it.

    And any outcome from free will could also defy any set of human natures.
    How is that possible? It needs to be described with a given definition of free will.
    What are you asking for, a definition for free will?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
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    The ocean/universe would create free will and affect it and even end it.

    And any outcome from free will could also defy any set of human natures.
    How is that possible? It needs to be described with a given definition of free will.
    What are you asking for, a definition for free will?
    Both. Two parts. A description of how the "ocean/universe creates free will" with a given definition of free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
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    What are you asking for, a definition for free will?
    Both. Two parts. A description of how the "ocean/universe creates free will" with a given definition of free will.
    I don't know how free will is created although there are theories that we talked about before. And the definition is what it always is in our conversations: the ability to have done otherwise with everything else staying the same.

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    The problem there is one didn't do otherwise just hypothesized one could do so. Methinks free will is doing otherwise. That leaves it up to the reader to discover what wasn't otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan View Post
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    What are you asking for, a definition for free will?
    Both. Two parts. A description of how the "ocean/universe creates free will" with a given definition of free will.
    I don't know how free will is created although there are theories that we talked about before. And the definition is what it always is in our conversations: the ability to have done otherwise with everything else staying the same.
    Yet it is common to regret a decision we made only a moment after having made it, a decision that may have serious consequences.

    So if we could have done otherwise in the moment of decision making, why did we not take that option and avoided unwanted problems that could have been avoided had we exercised this form of 'free will?'

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    In other words, how can the universe with its progression of events allow some of its parts to have done otherwise in any given instance in time?

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