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Thread: Race - where both Left and Right go wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    Culture comes from both the family and the people around them. Educational intervention isn't of much use if the parents don't care about education.
    That's so untrue as confirmed by MANY examples in US history ALONE that I cannot believe that even you have the gall to type that out.

    Of course, children do best when parental influences and societal ones converge to promote education.

    As to 'many decades and billions of dollars spent on educational intervention with little effect?' Equally ignorant and bigoted and utterly unsupported by facts.

    Unless you mean that we still have poor among us and uneducated among us. Or unless you are referring to the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on the Trump family's education alone which has given us a powerful yet exceedingly ignorant and ill educated oligarch who is attempting to foist his dynasty on the world, bringing in more directly bloodthirsty dictators to achieve his goals which extend only to personal enrichment.

    Then, you'd be exactly right.
    Denial doesn't make reality go away.

    1) You still have never addressed the smoking gun of Poland. They rebuilt their whole educational system after WWII and the communists tried to make it as fair as possible. It didn't matter, the children of high skill workers were still high skill workers, the children of low skill workers were still low skill workers.

    2) I forget where it was but a judge followed your approach, mandated huge expenditures (9 figures, maybe even 10) to improve education--for zero effect.

    3) Taking a student from a low performing school to a high performing school generally doesn't improve their performance.

    The problem isn't a simple one that can be solved by throwing a lot of money at it--you don't get to blame the system. It's the people. (Yes, to a fair degree it's the people as a group. Since you won't permit separating out the students that could actually make it this is irrelevant. You're sacrificing the ones that have a chance on the altar of equality.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Denial doesn't make reality go away.
    Yet you persist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfield View Post
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    Denial doesn't make reality go away.
    Yet you persist.
    Once again, no attempt to rebut the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    Denial doesn't make reality go away.
    Yet you persist.
    Once again, no attempt to rebut the facts.
    Just-so stories aren't facts.

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    Facts aren't such. They may be evidence.

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