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    And it's stupider than that. The "Bible" cannot claim inspiration for itself, because it wasn't a collection until a couple of centuries after its last constituent parts were written. To get around that, some Christians have claimed that the Christians who decided on the contents and order of the Bible were inspired by God. How they get around the Catholic vs. Protestant Bibles, I don't know/care, but any such claim is simply fabricated to make the illusion work.

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    What's with all these dumb rules about not chasing people and always assuming the guy being chased is the guy in the right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarpedon View Post
    What's with all these dumb rules about not chasing people and always assuming the guy being chased is the guy in the right?
    This is because in American law, a person is (supposed to be) presumed innocent until they are proven to be guilty according to the standards of the court system, and if the crime is a felony or if requested, before a jury of their peers. This law, which has been held to be a Constitutional right since the ruling Coffin v. United States (1895) does not have any direct antecedent in Hebrew law, but there are somewhat equivalent commandments.

    Deuteronomy 19:15-20 spells this out:
    “One witness is not enough to convict anyone accused of any crime or offense they may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse someone of a crime, the two people involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the LORD before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against a fellow Israelite, then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party."

    There was no such thing as a police officer at the time when this was written, but presumably in Judea as well as here, one person's testimony would not be enough to justify an extrajudicial killing even if that person were a police officer.

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    It is possible to pursue a person even if you don't intend to kill them when you catch them. The fact that is the default assumption tells volumes about the authors and their culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarpedon View Post
    It is possible to pursue a person even if you don't intend to kill them when you catch them. The fact that is the default assumption tells volumes about the authors and their culture.
    Do you mean those who in the modern day oppose police pursuits? If so, I agree; it speaks volumes to the way policing is done in this nation that being murdered by a police officer without having committed a crime is a credible fear. But alas, that is the world we face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarpedon View Post
    It is possible to pursue a person even if you don't intend to kill them when you catch them. The fact that is the default assumption tells volumes about the authors and their culture.
    Do you mean those who in the modern day oppose police pursuits? If so, I agree; it speaks volumes to the way policing is done in this nation that being murdered by a police officer without having committed a crime is a credible fear. But alas, that is the world we face.
    Fear works. Christianity is based on fear of damnation. That is why the RCC had power in Europe for over a thousand years. Instilling fear of god into superstitious people.

    I expect there are areas in NYC, LA, Houston, and Detroit you would not walk around out of fear.

    I expect the death penalty in Leviticus for same sex relations put a damper on it.

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    Is the idea of supernatural Creator of the universe any more credible than talking snakes, world wide flood, etc? If one can be accepted, why not the whole package.

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    The reason we oppose police pursuits is because they are generally done in vehicles up to 100 miles an hour, endangering the public. There's absolutely no one who objects to police foot pursuits. Heck, I'd rather police pursue suspects on foot than shoot them. I wonder how you think your amazingly progressive ancient courts work when you can't even catch criminals. "Oh no, he ran away! My one weakness!"

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    Death Penalty Offenses in the Torah (this is nowhere near a complete list -- this is the stuff I found comically jarring.)
    False prophecy
    Witchcraft
    Blasphemy
    Touching the Ark of the Covenant
    Foreigners getting too close to the tabernacle (See Num. 1:51)
    Adultery
    Loss of virginity by women, prior to marriage
    Bestiality
    Prostitution practiced by priest's daughter (Lev. 21:9)
    Cursing a parent
    Contempt of court (Deut 17:12 -- bye-bye, Donald)

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