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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
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    Jesus could've easily said,
    Yes, Jesus COULD HAVE SAID that same sex marriage is a sin, but apparently he didn't.

    Dude,nyour whole argument was that Xians are not bigots, they just believe what Jesus told them. It's a stupid argument, but you cannot even support that.

    So, if you have to put words into Jesus' mouth in order to make him say what you want to believe, how are you not bigots?
    Jesus spoke the same way about marriage as Christians do today. "Marriage is between a man and a woman." Very very simple.
    SO, STILL WAITING FOR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS SAID SAMESEX MARRIAGE WAS A SIN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. Or, admission that you were making shit up...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
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    Jesus could've easily said,
    Yes, Jesus COULD HAVE SAID that same sex marriage is a sin, but apparently he didn't.

    Dude,nyour whole argument was that Xians are not bigots, they just believe what Jesus told them. It's a stupid argument, but you cannot even support that.

    So, if you have to put words into Jesus' mouth in order to make him say what you want to believe, how are you not bigots?
    Jesus spoke the same way about marriage as Christians do today. "Marriage is between a man and a woman." Very very simple.
    He didn't say that either. Are you a compulsive liar? You quoted him correctly earlier in the thread, so I know you know what he actually said, and it wasn't that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
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    WTF does that mean?

    What do you think "physical laws" mean? We gotta be speaking the same language if you want a discussion.
    You know it sounds ridiculous in a materialistic universe to say that the universe follows laws. But if you say it's random, then that also sounds ridiculous because anyone can tell the universe is ordered.

    Materialism is bankrupt.
    Philosophical and religious definitions of reality are useless but for something to believe in.

    Scientifically the universe exists. People conflate scientific laws with civil laws.

    Civil laws are conducted to be followed for a purpose.

    In science models are the better words. Science laws are models of observation. When an experimental observation predicted by a model it is sometimes but not always called law. In science a law is not absolute.

    Newton's Laws Of Motion do not work at very fast speeds and small atomic scale particles. Within bounds Newtonian mechanics work so well and predictably we trust them to work, like sending a probe to the moon.

    The word materialism applied to science and philosophy is rather useless and meaningless. One of thousands of -isms. One can get a PHD in the use of ism-ology. The art of using -isms to sound profound.

    We can debate science models vs philosophy on sconce forum. We can start by you define what you mean by obviously ordered in an objective sense. The observable universe is in constant change and motion down to atomic particles. To me philosophically the universe is chaos and violence. Another extinction level asteroid strike is when not if.

    Hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water. The question why that is so is unasnwearble and meaningless. Models in chemistry show how to create water from hydrogen and oxygen which the ultimate origins of which are not knowable. The BB theory does not explain ultimate origins, only initial conditions for a theoretical event. What led to the conditions is not known or modeled.

    There is no need for a creator in sconce. It works regardless of a god existing or not. Theist proofs of god generaly reduce to a few categories.

    I can not image the univwerse existing without god, therefore god exists.
    It is obvious the biblical Abrahins god creted it ll, just look at it.

    My favorite.

    How do you know god exists?
    Because god is in the bible.
    How you know the bible is true?
    Because god inspired it.
    How do you know god inspired it?
    Because it is in the bible....and so on and so forth.

    And the old standby when all else fails, I just know in my heart god exists and created everything. That's all the proof I need.
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    Absolutely, and as long as the (Christian) believer knows that any Rastafarian, Pastafarian, Muslim, Moonie, Latter Day Saint, Scientologist, et al.,ad infinitum, can make the exact same statement with the same level of zeal and fulfillment, then everything's wonderful, innit??? It's all good!

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