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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post

    Yes, I know Sweden never belonged to the Eastern Bloc. That doesn't mean the ideology of socialism can't become dominant among a population. Marx is still even somewhat big in Canada among university educated arts students.

    'If we can just get rid of capitalism my life will stop being hard'

    'If we can just do [x] my life will be easier'

    They're reactions that happen because life is inherently difficult and painful.
    Just because it can be doesn't mean it is dominant. You are engaging in wishful thinking. Of the political parties in our parliament, only the Left Party has socialism as a declared ideology, and they tend to hover below 10% of voter support. And a lot of their voters are dissatisfied social democrats, i.e not socialists.

    Anyone who dreams of abolishing capitalism, not to mention thinking it will actually happen, is out of touch with reality and needs to grow up. A market system is superior to a command economy. The real debate that grown-ups have is how to best optimize it and regulate it to fix the flaws, not abolishing it.

    That arts students in Canada are fond of Marx in completely irrelevant. Their expertise is not in economics, history, or society, or anything relevant to Marx at all. You might just as well claim that creationism is big among Canadian arts students, and it is still as irrelevant, as their expertise is not in biology, geology, etc.
    You may be right. I really don't know anything about Swedish history or culture, I'm just going off of what I heard from Dr. Zoidberg.
    Then this Zoidberg guy is talking out of his ass.

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    To re-connect to the OP, I think it has been discussed here before that quite a few atheists are into New Age or pseudoscience. Or at least you can't assume that an atheist will be scientifically minded.

    Check out this: The Skeptical Disconnect

    I mean that atheism, for example, is a logical extension of skepticism. Anecdotally, most skeptics that I know are in fact atheists. However, the disconnect came when I expected the reverse of this observation to also be true, i.e., that most atheists are skeptics.

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    Compounding this feeling, one attendee at the Freethought Festival came up to JREF President D.J. Grothe and myself, making a point to bring up that although he was a staunch atheist, he was also sure that malleable psychic energy existed, and that acupuncture was a legitimate medical intervention.
    And importantly, this:

    To me, being a skeptic is more important than being an atheist. Embracing scientific skepticism for me means a hop, skip, and a jump to atheism. God is simply another topic for which there is no evidence, and therefore deserves our skepticism.
    Even if all religion disappeared tomorrow, there would still be a great need to teach critical thinking to all people on the entire planet.

    I would say that atheism that is not the result of skeptical thinking is next to useless.

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