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    Post Trump takes another dump on Mexico and Asylum Seekers

    Well, Trump's Administration is pushing a new regulation on asylum seeking that will put enormous pressure on Mexico.
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    "Pursuant to statutory authority, the Departments are amending their respective regulations to provide that, with limited exceptions, an alien who enters or attempts to enter the United States across the southern border after failing to apply for protection in a third country outside the alien's country of citizenship, nationality, or last lawful habitual residence through which the alien transited en route to the United States is ineligible for asylum," the document reads.
    So it states that you can't cherry pick the US and must choose a country before reaching the United States before being able to ask for asylum. This would mean, in order to have a chance in the US, asylum seekers must be denied asylum by Mexico, and likely any other country they pass through to get to America's southern border.

    Presumably, this will be be tried in court and will have to get over hurdles. I have no idea as to the legality of this, it may violate American Law and International Treaties. The pressure it puts on Mexico, even after trying to renegotiate a new economic treaty, is unbelievable. Trump will use this as leverage against asylum seekers or Mexico.

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    What an idiotic waste of time. Thank the IPU deplorables are dying out. We need to hold an international dance on their graves day every single time a deplorable dies. And special attention should be paid to when they die childless.

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    The asylum system needs to be fundamentally reformed. This situation where you have mass migrants all claiming to be "asylum seekers" so they can stay in the US for years while they are gumming up the immigration courts is not sustainable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    What an idiotic waste of time. Thank the IPU deplorables are dying out.
    Sure. US will be so much better off with millions of uneducated fake asylum speakers who don't even speak English (not have any desire to learn) flood in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    The asylum system needs to be fundamentally reformed.
    I agree. Trump is doing the opposite:

    Trump is right that the U.S. asylum system “is being overwhelmed by migration through our southern border.” Unfortunately, his remedies not only violate the letter of U.S. law and the humanitarian spirit that animates it — they’ve compounded the problem, by adding to the backlog and hence to the incentive to cheat.

    A federal judge ruled last month that Trump’s executive order narrowing access to asylum to those who apply at ports of entry contravened Congress’s clear intent. And the administration’s accompanying policy of “metering” applicants at ports of entry is designed more to discourage applications — regardless of their validity — than to impose greater order on the process. Bringing order to the process is the crux of the matter.

    This is by no means impossible. The U.S. doesn’t need to send more troops or shut down “the whole border.” During the mid-1990s, the U.S. faced an influx of new asylum seekers that led to record new claims and a backlog of nearly 500,000 asylum cases by 1995. As the Migration Policy Institute recently noted, reforms backed by sufficient resources virtually eliminated that backlog over the next decade. This discouraged spurious applications and gave speedier relief to legitimate asylum seekers.

    The same approach can work now. Hire and deploy more asylum officers. Appoint more immigration judges and clerks to clear the backlog. In a nation of lawyers, hiring an immigration judge shouldn’t take 21 months. And in 2018, the immigration courts’ record-keeping and case-management systems shouldn’t still be largely paper-driven. Compared with the money thrown at border enforcement, investment in the courts has been puny. Little wonder dockets are clogged.
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    In the meantime, instead of trying to restrict access to asylum through questionable or outright illegal executive orders, the U.S. should be processing applications more humanely and expeditiously. It really isn’t complicated. In this instance, greater administrative efficiency is the key to protecting the vulnerable and upholding American values and interests.
    In order to request asylum, by law, you have to either be in the United States or at a port of entry in the US. What are the steps and why the backlog (emphasis mine)?

    The length of the asylum process varies, but it typically takes between 6 months and several years. The length of asylum process may vary depending on whether the asylum seeker filed affirmatively or defensively and on the particular facts of his or her asylum claim.

    Under the affirmative asylum process, the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) requires USCIS to schedule the initial interview within 45 days after the application is filed and make a decision within 180 days after the application date.

    Under the defensive asylum process, applicants must go through the immigration court system, which faces significant backlogs. As of July 2018, there were over 733,000 pending immigration cases and the average wait time for an immigration hearing was 721 days. The backlog has been worsening over the past decade as the funding for immigration judges has failed to keep pace with an increasing case load.
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    Data show that 96 percent of asylum applicants show up to all their immigration court hearings.
    Why? Because they are legitimately seeking asylum.

    US will be so much better off with millions
    Thousands.

    of uneducated fake asylum speakers
    Less than 4% are "fake." So of the 733,000 pending cases, that would mean only about 29,000 would be "fake" and they in turn would be deported or otherwise denied.

    who don't even speak English (not have any desire to learn) flood in.
    OH NO! They don't speak english!!!!!!!!!?????????????? OH. MY. GOD. THE HORROR!

    How will you ever survive?
    Last edited by Koyaanisqatsi; 07-15-2019 at 07:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    Less than 4% are "fake."
    Bullshit. Less than 4% are genuine. Probably far less than 4%. Vast majority are like Santa Oscar de Rio Grande - faking asylum but really wants to make more money than in El Salvador.

    Thousands.
    Millions, cumulatively. Over 100,000 per month have been coming recently. It doesn't take long to reach millions at those rates.
    The only reason the rate has slowed somewhat now is the deal Trump did with Mexico to keep the migrants from entering Mexico in the first place. The numbers are still high.
    But when Dems win and implement their idiotic policies of decriminalization of illegal entry, of no detentions etc., all that will increase the mass migration rate even more.

    OH NO! They don't speak english!!!!!!!!!?????????????? OH. MY. GOD. THE HORROR!
    How will you ever survive?
    So you think Americans should learn Spanish instead of immigrants learning English?

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    You know, I almost hope our enemies do invade, and that Mexico sides with them when they do. We're making an enemy of them for no logical reason that I can see, ceding the one great tactical advantage we've had in every global conflict (the lack of a shared border with enemy nations) for the last century and a half, while gaining nothing in return.

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    So you think Americans should learn Spanish instead of immigrants learning English?
    They do learn English. Just like the Italians and Germans before them or my Ukranian great grandmother. The ladies that open my favorite lunch counter at 4AM (to feed the field hands) and sling tacos until 2PM before they go to their second job down the road cleaning the Best Western speak better English than our president. Sure that's a low bar. But they can understand enough to take my order in English. But then those lazy bums only work 16-18 hours a day so they need to go back from where they came.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    So you think Americans should learn Spanish instead of immigrants learning English?
    Plenty of Americans do know Spanish already. It hasn't hurt them any. In fact, bilingual workers are far more financially successful than their monolingual peers.

    Creerse la última coca-cola en el desierto, pero... no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Plenty of Americans do know Spanish already.
    So, yes, you do think Americans should have to learn Spanish rather than require immigrants to learn English.

    In fact, bilingual workers are far more financially successful than their monolingual peers.
    Only because we have so many illegals who refuse to learn English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scombrid View Post
    They do learn English.
    Traditionally, immigrants have.
    These illegal hispanic mass migrants in the main never do. That's why when a neighborhood is overran with hispanics, regular American stores close and all the storefronts have signs in Spanish. "Carniceria de Jalisco", "Supermarcado", "Salon de belleza". Does that sound like a community that learns English?

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