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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    This kind of freshman bong hit really needs to be quelled. Reality is a baseball bat beating your skull in until you die. That’s not a metaphor. That’s not a “yeah, but what if?”

    Bat. Skull. Death.

    It doesn’t matter what the universe “is” or how you “perceive it” or how, ew, hard the problem is of consciousness.

    Bat. Skull. DEATH.

    Never to return.

    Fin.
    Yes. At which point that particular brain generated experience of the world and self comes to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koyaanisqatsi View Post
    This kind of freshman bong hit really needs to be quelled. Reality is a baseball bat beating your skull in until you die. That’s not a metaphor. That’s not a “yeah, but what if?”

    Bat. Skull. Death.

    It doesn’t matter what the universe “is” or how you “perceive it” or how, ew, hard the problem is of consciousness.

    Bat. Skull. DEATH.

    Never to return.

    Fin.
    The death of somebody else is just as illusory as the flagrance of flowers in springtime and the show you're watching on television. These things do mean something to us, but they are illusory because the world outside our mind is not our perception of it.

    The only reality we know in itself is the perception of X, not X itself, and this should be obvious to all rational people, where rationality is facts + logic.

    Hence, the death of John in 1963 was illusory to all of us because both John and 1963 were illusory.

    The idea of your own death is just a metaphor. Presumably, not one knows themselves dead, right? We have to infer the possibility, and indeed the certainty, of our own future death from the illusion we have of the death of other people. And we're quite sure about it of course, and we can feel very emotional about the death of somebody else, but the possibility of the religious belief of life after death is proof that we're not quite so absolutely certain after all, and we're not because we don't know death when alive and we're no longer here to experience death once we're dead.

    So, yes, it is a metaphor.

    People just so love to pretend they know stuff.

    They say "DEATH", you see, not "death", as if that could make any difference. "DEATH" is still just a word, and using capital letters won't make death a reality.

    But, yeah, I guess you're allowed poetic licence.
    EB

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    Blah blah blah regurgitation. The wheel was already invented thousands of years ago. This is all very old news, yet you—and many itt—are acting like freshman college kids smoking their first bong hit thinking it’s something newly discovered.

    We all know. Hard problem of consciousness. And................?

    You aren’t advancing anything or revealing anything. You are simply rehashing what millions of others who came before you have already spent their entire lives fretting over ad nauseam.

    So, yeah, ok, welcome to five thousand years ago. And.......? Move the fuck on already and get to a relevant, new, salient point because this is just yesterday’s intellectual garbage you’re dumpster diving through.

    What NEW insight are you sharing? What NEW idea do you have?

    Those are, of course, rhetorical questions because there is nothing new to share. Hasn’t been for thousands of years when this topic was FIRST contemplated on the steps of the Acropolis.

    These threads are all like stumbling upon a first grade classroom where a kid just blurts out, “Hey everyone, look at me. Did you know that 2 + 2 = 4? I just discovered this and now let me tell you all about it from my arcane knowledge of this thing that no one else knows about and I just discovered....”

    Yes, we derive knowledge. No, we cannot directly experience anything outside of the skull. Yes, that could mean—and actually does mean—that our reality is illusory and constructed and does not accurately reflect an objective world. No, this does not matter. No, we are not in any way effected by it. No, the word “accurate” is not an absolute nor does it need to be. Yes, a baseball bat—aka the external world—can does and will impact our skulls and kill us all.

    These are ALL well known, well trodden, well regurgitated issues that have been far more thoroughly discussed by far more intelligent people for literally thousands of years now with nothing new ever added to the mix and countless blowhards who all think they are the ones to first discover or have some unique understanding or grand new insight and they never do.

    Why? Because it’s not that difficult to figure out. A finite observer—with limited processing capacity—cannot directly experience a universe that consists of (or amounts to) infinite information. So it must make models/choices/edits in the amount of information it processes, which in turn necessarily results in the trivial loophole of the hard problem that others can point to and say, as if relevant, “Hey! Because of this we COULD all be hooked up to a machine.”

    Yeah. We could. And...............................?

    Could isn’t revelatory. Could isn’t salient. Beyond freshman bong hits, could is jack all.

    Plus, anyone with half a fucking brain cell already knows this is the case because of dreams. We ARE hoooked up to a machine already; a machine that generates a selective, subjective reality. That is our nature and always has been.

    So, again, it’s not anything new or revelatory for you freshman to keep coming along and waking up and saying, “Hey! loook what I just discovered!” You didn’t discover it. You don’t have any new ideas to contribute to it. You’re just endlessly regurgitating the same awakening process that your superiors have already exhaustively deconstructed and reconstructed ten billion times before you.

    It all—ALWAYS—comes down to this final, ultimate realization: the constructed self simply must take on faith—based on the preponderance of the evidence—that their senses are relaying and their brains are processing more or less accurate models, on threat of death of the body.

    That’s the full and total summation of EVERYTHING you have all been regurgitating. That is the end game that billions of others have played billions of times before any of you were even born.

    Faith, based on evidence. That’s it. That’s the big reveal at the end of the hard problem yellow brick road.

    Congratulations. You’ve all finally graduated to sophomore status and can move on to more interesting topics other than “We derive all of our knowledge.” No shit, Sherlock. And.......?

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