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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomb#20 View Post
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    She used these "family stories" to further her career. The DNA test gives a very tiny percentage as being Indian, so it does not really justify calling herself "American Indian" like she did on her Texas bar registration card.

    Face it, she lied about her ancestry.
    There's a recurring phenomenon across many societies called "hypodescent", the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union to the subordinate group. This practice developed in America back in the 1600s, hand-in-hand with slavery, and it led to the widespread informal and in some cases formal use of the "one-drop rule". To the extent that people have been infected by that thought process, and to the extent that they see American Indians as a low-status ethnicity, for them to infer that someone with an American Indian great**N-grandparent counts as an American Indian can be automatic, the fact that her percentage doesn't really justify it notwithstanding.

    So Ms. Warren's statement isn't evidence of her lying so much as evidence of her being easily influenced by mindless memes prevalent in whichever poorly-reasoning subcultures she gets exposed to. Which, come to think of it, could also account for another statement she made.
    It occurs to me her family might not even have known the true situation. Think about the one-drop rule applied generation after generation--all that gets passed down in family history is "American Indian", not the percentage. More than a couple of generations back people don't know the actual ratio and from the one-drop it's thought to be 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
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    Nobody's harping on this being racist so why would anyone have done the research?
    Well, Halfie is presenting it as 'obvious' racism, against whites, and Halfie is usually talking compleat bollocks, so if he has anything like a point, someone would be collecting something better than 'i used to get braced a lot by cops doing their job when i was breaking the law so REVERSE RACISM!!!'
    No, he's saying it happens. I don't read him as presenting it as evidence of racism, but rather as a rebuttal to blacks being stopped in white areas being due to racism. Cops get suspicious of anything that doesn't look like it fits, although this is far more socioeconomic than racial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    "Reverse racism" is also a stupid phrase. It is just plain and simple racism. No race has a monopoly on being racist. Japan is racist, Africans are racist, Indians are racist. Look at all those countries with strong immigration policies. But, only white americans get called racists for wanting strong immigration policies even though the other countries are just as racist.

    Even next door neighbors who are friends put up fences between their yards to keep their neighbors out! Yet, they claim a border wall is stupid and doesn't work.
    Just because someone else does something wrong is no reason for us to do something wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post

    Nobody's harping on this being racist so why would anyone have done the research?
    Well, Halfie is presenting it as 'obvious' racism, against whites, and Halfie is usually talking compleat bollocks, so if he has anything like a point, someone would be collecting something better than 'i used to get braced a lot by cops doing their job when i was breaking the law so REVERSE RACISM!!!'
    No, he's saying it happens. I don't read him as presenting it as evidence of racism, but rather as a rebuttal to blacks being stopped in white areas being due to racism.
    Well, reading his whine about 'why does no one call it racism when' seems to me to be claiming it is based on racism, but it's racism against whites so no one cares. Your milage may vary.
    Cops get suspicious of anything that doesn't look like it fits, although this is far more socioeconomic than racial.
    That would be my estimation. Which is why i keep asking haIf for supporting evidence. He offers 'this happened to me' without any clue as to how he can filter out other possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    That's no more a lie than me claiming to be part German based on what I was told by my parents and grandparents and then finding out on Ancestry.com (which, btw, is full of inaccuracies) that instead of immigrating from Germany, my great greats immigrated from Switzerland.
    Saying that you are part-German (which would be true even if your ancestor was Swiss German) is very different than Elizabeth Warren putting "American Indian" as her race on her bar registration card based on some family lore. Or being listed as "minority law professor" by her university.
    You only know what your ancestry is based on what your family tells you. If you use DNA tests, you might know more about your ancestry—or maybe not. Such testing was not readily or commonly available in 1986. Today, reliance on databases to determine things like ‘race’ or country/region of ancestry are not particularly accurate, especially if one is talking about very small populations of which few members have their DNA entered into the various data bases. This is certainly try for Native Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
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    That's no more a lie than me claiming to be part German based on what I was told by my parents and grandparents and then finding out on Ancestry.com (which, btw, is full of inaccuracies) that instead of immigrating from Germany, my great greats immigrated from Switzerland.
    Saying that you are part-German (which would be true even if your ancestor was Swiss German) is very different than Elizabeth Warren putting "American Indian" as her race on her bar registration card based on some family lore. Or being listed as "minority law professor" by her university.
    You only know what your ancestry is based on what your family tells you. If you use DNA tests, you might know more about your ancestry—or maybe not. Such testing was not readily or commonly available in 1986. Today, reliance on databases to determine things like ‘race’ or country/region of ancestry are not particularly accurate, especially if one is talking about very small populations of which few members have their DNA entered into the various data bases. This is certainly try for Native Americans.
    ^^^ this

    Trying to make something from nothing, because it's a female running for president.
    Keep messing with 45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
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    She was told by her family that she was. When she found out she corrected her story, big deal. You don’t like her because she is a smart woman running for president. We all know you hate women.
    One can think Warren is stupid regardless of her sex. Just like I believe Joe Biden is stupid but it's not because I'm sexist against men.

    Nobody is afraid of smart women. That is a leftist myth. We are afraid of stupid women and stupid men.
    Meanwhile Trump just reached his 10,000 lie. Deflect much?
    Keep messing with 45

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    Quote Originally Posted by starwater View Post
    Meanwhile Trump just reached his 10,000 lie. Deflect much?
    Huh? I thought he reached that long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni View Post
    You only know what your ancestry is based on what your family tells you. If you use DNA tests, you might know more about your ancestry—or maybe not. Such testing was not readily or commonly available in 1986. Today, reliance on databases to determine things like ‘race’ or country/region of ancestry are not particularly accurate, especially if one is talking about very small populations of which few members have their DNA entered into the various data bases. This is certainly try for Native Americans.
    Of course, Warren calling herself Indian or Chinese or black etc. would not make any difference if there were not benefits associated with belonging to certain specically favored groups. And American Indians (as well as "native" Hawaiians, see the idiocy surrounding Governor Dickless* not removing those blocking TMT construction) are the most highly favored racial/ethnic group in the United States today.
    We should remove any advantages race brings to say college admissions or professor selection, or how you trying to prevent construction of legal construction project is handling by authorities, and just treat everybody the same. Then nobody would care if Warren calls herself a Cherokee princess or whatever.


    * Yes ma'm, it's true. David Ige has no dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starwater View Post
    Trying to make something from nothing, because it's a female running for president.
    BS. But she is a major candidate who is calling a justified homicide "murder" just to pander to a certain segment of the electorate, to wit the #BLM crowd. That should be pointed out, whether or not she is a "female running for president". Should females be exempt from criticism just because they are females?

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