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    Greta Thunberg's Voyages

    Swedish climate-change activist Greta Thunberg had a problem. She wanted to visit some climate-change conferences, but she wanted to do so without consuming a lot of fossil fuel. That means no airplanes and no ships. So she decided on a sailboat. In particular, the racing sailboat Malizia II.

    Greta Thunberg's sailing adventure no pleasure cruise
    “It’s not very luxurious, it’s not very fancy but I don’t need that. I need only a bed and just the basic things,” Thunberg told The Associated Press. “So I think it will be fun, and I also think it will be fun to be isolated and not be so limited.”

    Sailing on the 60-foot (18-meter) Malizia II, outfitted with solar panels and underwater turbines to generate electricity, Thunberg will make a zero-carbon trans-Atlantic journey.

    But to call it a no-frills passage would be an understatement. The sailboat is built for high-speed, offshore racing, with weight kept to a minimum. The only alterations for the voyage are fitting curtains in front of the bunk and adding mattresses for comfort. There is no toilet or fixed shower. There’s a small gas cooker and the food will be freeze dried.

    Inside, the yacht resembles the interior of a tin can. It is dark and gray, with no windows below deck.
    With GT are her father Svante, yachters Boris Herrmann and Pierre Casiraghi, and filmmaker Nathan Grossman of B-Reel Films, who will be documenting the journey. She will bring audiobooks and also notebooks to write in.

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    Greta Thunberg departed from Plymouth, England on August 14. You can follow her voyage at Live Tracker: Team Malizia and Greta Thunberg sailing to New York

    Greta Thunberg sets sail for New York on zero-carbon yacht | Environment | The Guardian

    When Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez met Greta Thunberg: 'Hope is contagious' | Environment | The Guardian - AOC hopes to meet GT when GT arrives in NYC.
    In the course of their conversation, Ocasio-Cortez and Thunberg discuss what it is like to be dismissed for their age, how depressed we should be about the future, and what tactics, as an activist, really work. Ocasio-Cortez speaks with her customary snap and brilliance that, held up against the general waffle of political discourse, seems startlingly direct. Thunberg, meanwhile, is phenomenally articulate, well-informed and self-assured, holding her own in conversation with an elected official nearly twice her age and speaking in deliberate, thoughtful English. They are, in some ways, as different as two campaigners can get – the politician working the system with Washington polish, and the teenager in her socks and leggings, working from her bedroom to reach the rest of the world. There is something very moving about the conversation between these young women, a sense of generational rise that, as we know from every precedent from the Renaissance onwards, has the power to ignite movements and change history.
    Earlier this year: Greta Thunberg's train journey through Europe highlights no-fly movement | Environment | The Guardian
    1 14 April Departs Stockholm on a train
    2 16 April Gives a speech at the European parliament in Strasbourg, France
    3 17 - 19 April Meets the Pope at the Vatican and gives speeches at the Italian senate and Piazza del Popolo in Rome
    4 21 - 23 April Arrives in London, gives speeches at Extinction Rebellion protest and to MPs in parliament, and attends Guardian event
    5 25 April Returns to Stockholm
    Likely electric the whole distance - electricity is what wind turbines and solar panels produce. From the map:

    Stockholm - Copenhagen - Hamburg - Strasbourg - Basel - Milan - Rome - Lugano - Basel - Paris - London - Brussels - Cologne - Hamburg - Copenhagen - Stockholm

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Greta Thunberg departed from Plymouth, England on August 14. You can follow her voyage at Live Tracker: Team Malizia and Greta Thunberg sailing to New York

    Greta Thunberg sets sail for New York on zero-carbon yacht | Environment | The Guardian

    When Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez met Greta Thunberg: 'Hope is contagious' | Environment | The Guardian - AOC hopes to meet GT when GT arrives in NYC.
    In the course of their conversation, Ocasio-Cortez and Thunberg discuss what it is like to be dismissed for their age, how depressed we should be about the future, and what tactics, as an activist, really work. Ocasio-Cortez speaks with her customary snap and brilliance that, held up against the general waffle of political discourse, seems startlingly direct. Thunberg, meanwhile, is phenomenally articulate, well-informed and self-assured, holding her own in conversation with an elected official nearly twice her age and speaking in deliberate, thoughtful English. They are, in some ways, as different as two campaigners can get – the politician working the system with Washington polish, and the teenager in her socks and leggings, working from her bedroom to reach the rest of the world. There is something very moving about the conversation between these young women, a sense of generational rise that, as we know from every precedent from the Renaissance onwards, has the power to ignite movements and change history.
    Earlier this year: Greta Thunberg's train journey through Europe highlights no-fly movement | Environment | The Guardian
    1 14 April Departs Stockholm on a train
    2 16 April Gives a speech at the European parliament in Strasbourg, France
    3 17 - 19 April Meets the Pope at the Vatican and gives speeches at the Italian senate and Piazza del Popolo in Rome
    4 21 - 23 April Arrives in London, gives speeches at Extinction Rebellion protest and to MPs in parliament, and attends Guardian event
    5 25 April Returns to Stockholm
    Likely electric the whole distance - electricity is what wind turbines and solar panels produce. From the map:

    Stockholm - Copenhagen - Hamburg - Strasbourg - Basel - Milan - Rome - Lugano - Basel - Paris - London - Brussels - Cologne - Hamburg - Copenhagen - Stockholm
    Electricity on that route is produced by coal, gas, and nuclear power FAR more often than by wind or solar.

    The lowest carbon sectors of such a train journey (according to https://www.electricitymap.org) were those in Sweden (mostly hydropower and nuclear); France (mostly nuclear and hydropower); and Belgium (mostly nuclear).

    Wind and solar may, perhaps, have contributed a few percent of the electricity she used; and perhaps as much as twenty percent of the carbon free power - with nuclear and hydro providing the other 80+%.

    This idea that solar and wind are the largest, or even a hugely significant, proportion of low carbon emissions power is a flat out lie, and it is directly harming our chances to do something useful about climate change - such as constructing large numbers of nuclear power plants.

    Playing about with wind and solar would be bad enough if it was just a waste of time, money, and effort. But when it's used to lie to people about how we make the majority of low emissions power, it's directly contributing to the problem it claims to be trying to resolve.

    Greta is absolutely right - climate change is an emergency, and we need to stop fucking around, and do something to fix it. Wind and solar power have been clearly demonstrated to NOT fix it (thank you Germany for volunteering to be the world's guinea pig). So it's time to do something that has been demonstrated to be effective. France, Sweden, Ontario and Belgium have all demonstrated what works; Germany has demonstrated clearly what does not work. Now it's time to act.

    It's time to nuke climate change.

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    I am wondering how much CO2 was used to build the yacht and whether it will offset that amount over its lifetime?
    NOTE: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post

    It's time to nuke climate change.

    Yessir. Just as soon as we figure out how to use nuclear power without so much use of CO2 needed to extract, transport, design, construct, assemble, and run power producing systems. Oh yeah, and dispose of spent fuel.

    Boiling water is available from natural thermal sources around the earth. Why not exploit them first? We could start with the one near San Diego. Oh wait, geothermal is usually somewhere near where major tectonic and plasma upsurge events happen. Oh my eruptions.

    Just saw your nuclear and raised you two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fromderinside View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bilby View Post

    It's time to nuke climate change.

    Yessir. Just as soon as we figure out how to use nuclear power without so much use of CO2 needed to extract, transport, design, construct, assemble, and run power producing systems. Oh yeah, and dispose of spent fuel.
    With all those things included, nuclear power ties with wind turbines as the lowest emissions generation technology.

    Of course, those emissions too will be eliminated if you start making synfuel using nuclear power plants.

    The spent fuel disposal "problem" is a propaganda tool.

    The fact is that we already have a completely safe storage system in place - on site storage in dry casks has been used for sixty years without anyone ever being hurt.

    It's already far safer than the waste from any other power generation technology.

    It's not 'green goo' - it's a boring grey ceramic solid, heavy and insoluble. Even if a cask was broken open, the materials inside aren't going to go anywhere; as long as everyone stays back a few metres, nobody's going to get hurt.

    And these casks are inside the perimeter fence of nuclear power plants. Nobody's casually going to stroll up to them uninvited.

    Of course, it's only hazardous because it's energetic. So the best option is to use it as fuel in fast reactors.

    For example, the Elysium MCSFR (as well as various other fast reactors currently in development) can use this 'waste' as fuel, leaving a tiny amount of radioactive material with a lifespan of about three centuries before it decays to background - and then you can just landfill it.

    How tiny? Well, currently a lifetimes supply of energy for an American can be generated by a PWR with an amount of fuel the size of a soda can - and produces the same volume of "waste".

    To get a lifetimes supply of energy from a MCSFR, you need an amount of fuel with the volume of four chocolate m&m's.

    The waste is bit more - about seven m&m's for an American, over his entire life of energy use. But it halves in activity every thirty or so years, and in three hundred, it's barely radioactive at all.

    Every generation technology has a toxic waste problem. Only nuclear power has solved that problem.
    Boiling water is available from natural thermal sources around the earth. Why not exploit them first?
    Because there are nowhere near enough of them. It's been done in many of the handful of places where it's viable. But even in those places, it results in both carbon dioxide and methane emissions to the atmosphere that exceed the CO2 equivalent amounts per kWh emitted by nuclear and wind power by at least an order of magnitude.
    We could start with the one near San Diego. Oh wait, geothermal is usually somewhere near where major tectonic and plasma upsurge events happen. Oh my eruptions.

    Just saw your nuclear and raised you two.
    You just made a typical 'intelligent but ignorant' pseudo-contribution to the debate, based on the common but utterly false assumption that your casual understanding of the subject matter is at least close to equal to that of someone who has put significant effort over a long time into examining the issues.

    Yes, there are lots of 'obviously better' options. No, none withstand actual scrutiny. Yes, other people have thought of them. No, your intelligence is not sufficient to substitute for knowledge of the topic.

    Every "wouldn't it be better if..." question has been asked dozens of times. The answer has always turned out to be "no". The propagandists keep asking anyway, because fear, uncertainty, and doubt are the only weapons they have.

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    https://gcaptain.com/construction-wo...loser-reality/

    There are cargo ships with sails. Usually supplanting the engine. There are also ships with vertical turbines to make electricity.

    If she rowed across then that would be something.

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    Greta Thunberg's Transatlantic Sailing Trip Is Seriously Carbon-Neutral | CleanTechnica - nice article

    Boris Herrmann (@borisherrmannracing) • Instagram photos and videos
    boris herrmann (@borisherrmann) / Twitter

    GT departed Plymouth, England on August 14, around 15:00 GMT. As of today, August 24, she has traveled about 4,000 kilometers and she has about 2,000 km to go. That means that she should arrive in New York City on August 29.

    Her good friend Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hopes to meet her there, but she is currently on a road trip, and she recently Instagrammed herself at California's sequoia trees. On the way there, she took a snarky swipe at the Electoral College.

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    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Greta Thunberg & the 'flight shame' movement - INSIDER
    • Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old environmental activist-phenom, has helped lead an anti-air travel movement in her native Sweden.
    • Thunberg and her allies point out that cutting down on flying is one of the best ways for individuals to reduce their carbon footprint.
    • Germany's Green Party, which has surged in popularity recently, wants to make domestic flights "obsolete as far as possible" by 2035 through new taxes and investments in high-speed rail.
    • Many young Europeans are following Thunberg's lead and adjusting their lifestyles to shrink their carbon footprints. Some told Insider they don't fly. But they're also pushing for structural change.
    • "I'm more of an anti-capitalist climate fighter," Shinkai Hassan, 17, told Insider at a climate strike in Berlin. "I don't think it's the common people's fault as much as the companies'."
    • While the "flight shame" movement is spreading across Europe, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's attempts to discourage flying and promote investments in high-speed rail haven't yet caught on.
    • Experts say the US is poorly positioned to replace air travel with rail alternatives, both as a result of geography and decades of public policy.
    GT traveled across Europe by train last spring - more time-consuming, but less fossil fuels. Her closest counterpart in the US is AOC, and she's gotten a lot of flak from Fox News types for flying NYC - DC. However, she takes Amtrak a lot between NYC and DC, and she says that though it takes longer, it's less stressful.

    NYC - DC is the closest thing in the US to the high-speed-train lines of Europe and eastern Asia. The California project is going ahead with its first segment: Merced - Bakersfield. Obama wanted high-speed trains, but the Republicans scuttled plans for returning trains to Milwaukee - Madison WI and Cleveland - Columbus - Cincinnati OH.

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