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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSky View Post
    Well, let's get rid of fascists & white supremacists, and then we'll see.
    What about left wing extremists and racial supremacists other than white? Why are they acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTalking View Post
    Hmmm, I wonder what was going on in Germany in the 1930s that might have gotten them started?
    In the Weimar Republic there were fascist groups like NSDAP but there were also communist groups. Both of them are extremists and Germany would still have been fucked had communists taken power. As they have in East Germany later.
    Original Antifas fought against fascism because they are a rival extremist group, not because they oppose political extremism.
    Modern day Antifas see everything to the right of Trotsky as "fascist".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RavenSky View Post
    Well, let's get rid of fascists & white supremacists, and then we'll see.
    What about left wing extremists and racial supremacists other than white? Why are they acceptable?
    They're not. They're also nowhere near as widespread and profligate as far right white supremacist groups. It's depressing this still has to be pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    They're not.
    Except whenever we talk about racism and extremism only the white variety is ever condemned. The Left even claims that only white people can be racist.

    They're also nowhere near as widespread and profligate as far right white supremacist groups. It's depressing this still has to be pointed out.
    Bullshit! Black supremacists are very "widespread and profligate". They just don't get call out on their shit nearly enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    They're not.
    Except whenever we talk about racism and extremism only the white variety is ever condemned. The Left even claims that only white people can be racist.

    They're also nowhere near as widespread and profligate as far right white supremacist groups. It's depressing this still has to be pointed out.
    Bullshit! Black supremacists are very "widespread and profligate". They just don't get call out on their shit nearly enough.
    How many white people have been publicly lynched by angry black mobs, Derec? For offenses such as looking at a woman not of their "kind"?*

    * Seriously, many of these troglodytes are young earth creationists who have God's blessing for whatever they might do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    How many white people have been publicly lynched by angry black mobs, Derec?
    We are not speaking of 100 years ago, we are speaking of now. We do not see black people being lynched now either.
    But twice as many white people get murdered than blacks than vice versa, according to FBI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    They're not.
    Except whenever we talk about racism and extremism only the white variety is ever condemned. The Left even claims that only white people can be racist.
    It's already been established that I, and I alone speak for the left, and I have never said anything of the sort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derec
    They're also nowhere near as widespread and profligate as far right white supremacist groups. It's depressing this still has to be pointed out.
    Bullshit! Black supremacists are very "widespread and profligate". They just don't get call out on their shit nearly enough.
    So you believe black supremacists are as widespread and profligate as white supremacists? I disagree, and I believe reality is on my side on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnG View Post
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    Get rid of white supremacists and antifa disappears.
    Given how Antifa got their start in the 30s as an organ of the German Communist Party, I very much doubt that.

    The anti fascists you are hearing about now are not members of the German Communist party, or are they affiliated with them. They are people of whatever community the Proud Boys, or members of other white supremest groups are organizing in. In the recent wake of far right violence (Charlottesville for example), mass shootings, bombings, they are showing up to protect their communities.
    We don't need them in Portland anymore. We have excellent police force. We've found that if Proud Boys just march and say their BS that they'll leave. No big deal. But when Antifia is here, egging them on, it gets worse. We don't need the fighting in Portland...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    We don't need them in Portland anymore. We have excellent police force. We've found that if Proud Boys just march and say their BS that they'll leave. No big deal. But when Antifia is here, egging them on, it gets worse. We don't need the fighting in Portland...
    But Antifa live for the political violence. Letting people who they disagree with peacefully protest and then go home will not do. At the very least they want to throw some vegan shakes at people they disagree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patooka View Post
    So you believe black supremacists are as widespread and profligate as white supremacists? I disagree, and I believe reality is on my side on this issue.
    I certainly think that they are comparable to white supremacism, normalized for population shares. Nation of Islam alone has 20,000-50,000 "core" members according to Wikipedia.

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