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    The Bible speaks the truth therefore God exists?

    Here is another interesting argument:

    (p1) A and (A implies B), therefore B;
    (p2) B and (B implies A), therefore A;
    (C) Therefore, A and B.
    I'll give a straightforward application of it:

    (p1) God exists and the fact that God exists implies that the Bible speaks the truth, therefore the Bible speaks the truth;
    (p2) The Bible speaks the truth and the fact that the Bible speaks the truth implies that God exists, therefore God exists;
    (C) Therefore, God exists and the Bible speaks the truth.
    It's seriously more complicated than usual, so please take all the time you need to answer the two questions.

    Question 1: Do you think that this argument is logically valid, and why?

    Question 2: Do you think that this argument is fallacious, and if so, what kind of fallacy is it?
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    And around and around and around we go.

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    Sink or swim? Yeah, just sink...

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    And around and around and around we go.
    You don't have to. You can just sink here and there as far as I am concerned.

    Just too bloody tempting, man!


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    The image of a whirligig with kids having a great time going around in circles.

    One of the basic arguments.

    How do I know god exists
    Because got is in the bible.
    How do I know the bible is true?
    Because god inspired the bible.
    How do I know god exists?....

    It is a simple circular argument. A inliers B implies A implies B...

    Or you can look at it as a form of a bootstrapping argument. The conclusion pulls up or bootstraps the premise. The conclusion valkidates or bootstraps the premise. As in pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    The image of a whirligig with kids having a great time going around in circles.

    One of the basic arguments.

    How do I know god exists
    Because got is in the bible.
    How do I know the bible is true?
    Because god inspired the bible.
    How do I know god exists?....

    It is a simple circular argument. A inliers B implies A implies B...

    Or you can look at it as a form of a bootstraping argument. The conclusion pulls up or bootstraps the premise. The conclusion valkidates or bootstraps the premise. As in pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps.
    You provided only partial answers...

    Do you think that this argument is logically valid?

    Do you think that this argument is fallacious?

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    Variations on a theme

    p1 I think logically because I am logical
    p2 I am logical because I think logically
    c I am logical

    p1 I am because I think
    p2 I think because I am
    c I think

    Same form as the bible syllogism. Any problem with arguments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    Here is another interesting argument:

    (p1) A and (A implies B), therefore B;
    (p2) B and (B implies A), therefore A;
    (C) Therefore, A and B.
    I'll give a straightforward application of it:

    (p1) God exists and the fact that God exists implies that the Bible speaks the truth, therefore the Bible speaks the truth;
    (p2) The Bible speaks the truth and the fact that the Bible speaks the truth implies that God exists, therefore God exists;
    (C) Therefore, God exists and the Bible speaks the truth.
    It's seriously more complicated than usual, so please take all the time you need to answer the two questions.

    Question 1: Do you think that this argument is logically valid, and why?

    Question 2: Do you think that this argument is fallacious, and if so, what kind of fallacy is it?
    EB

    Your argument is flawed because the conclusion is in the first and second premise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Person View Post
    Your argument is flawed because the conclusion is in the first and second premise.
    Flawed, OK, but is it valid and is it fallacious?

    valid
    4. Logic
    a. Containing premises from which the conclusion may logically be derived: a valid argument.
    b. Correctly inferred or deduced from a premise: a valid conclusion.
    Fallacious
    1. Containing fundamental errors in reasoning
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post

    Flawed, OK, but is it valid and is it fallacious?



    Fallacious
    1. Containing fundamental errors in reasoning
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    Flawed, fallacious and invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Person View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post

    Flawed, OK, but is it valid and is it fallacious?



    Fallacious
    1. Containing fundamental errors in reasoning
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    Flawed, fallacious and invalid.
    Ah, good, thanks for a courageous answer!

    I will wait a bit more to see if I can get a few more answers.

    Meanwhile, feel free to expand on your reasons to assess the argument as "flawed, fallacious and invalid".
    EB

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