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    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination

    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?
    There is no such thing as moral or immoral behavior. Only civilized and uncivilized behavior. Civilized laws are laws that do not give any one person or any one group of people any special rights above what all others have. The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.

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    Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense.
    From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no-one-particular View Post
    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?
    I think there’s a disconnect with the notion there is no sin if there is no God.

    Many believers consider shacking up with someone prior to marriage as living in sin. You could make the argument that it’s not sinful, but the basis of that argument matters. If you attempt to show it’s not sinful because it’s not harmful, that’s one thing, but trying to show it’s not sinful because there is no God, it’s still the case that certain acts are sinful by virtue of certain acts said to be wrong in religious texts that are in fact wrong irregardless of whether there is a God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by no-one-particular View Post
    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?
    I think there’s a disconnect with the notion there is no sin if there is no God.

    Many believers consider shacking up with someone prior to marriage as living in sin. You could make the argument that it’s not sinful, but the basis of that argument matters. If you attempt to show it’s not sinful because it’s not harmful, that’s one thing, but trying to show it’s not sinful because there is no God, it’s still the case that certain acts are sinful by virtue of certain acts said to be wrong in religious texts that are in fact wrong irregardless of whether there is a God.
    Then why call those acts sins when immoral is a perfectly good word that doesn't imply there is no reason beyond it's only wrong due to God saying so? Claiming God is a way of ending further reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
    Then why call those acts sins when immoral is a perfectly good word that doesn't imply there is no reason beyond it's only wrong due to God saying so? Claiming God is a way of ending further reasoning.
    There is no "sin". There is no "immoral". There is no "moral".

    There is only civilized and uncivilized behavior.
    There is no such thing as moral or immoral behavior. Only civilized and uncivilized behavior. Civilized laws are laws that do not give any one person or any one group of people any special rights above what all others have. The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no-one-particular View Post
    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?
    My opinion is:

    Calling someone a sinner is just a roundabout way of saying that that person is inferior. Inferior to the people that arent sinners.

    In a civilized society there are no inferior people.
    In a civilized society there are no superior people.

    The concept of "sin" is therefore not civilized and I as a civilized person do not feel under any obligation to respect the delusion that sin is a real thing.
    There is no such thing as moral or immoral behavior. Only civilized and uncivilized behavior. Civilized laws are laws that do not give any one person or any one group of people any special rights above what all others have. The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no-one-particular View Post
    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?
    A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

    Why would sin be something imaginary? If I steal your bike, is it gone, or can you pretend it's still there and it makes no difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treedbear View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by no-one-particular View Post
    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?
    I think there’s a disconnect with the notion there is no sin if there is no God.

    Many believers consider shacking up with someone prior to marriage as living in sin. You could make the argument that it’s not sinful, but the basis of that argument matters. If you attempt to show it’s not sinful because it’s not harmful, that’s one thing, but trying to show it’s not sinful because there is no God, it’s still the case that certain acts are sinful by virtue of certain acts said to be wrong in religious texts that are in fact wrong irregardless of whether there is a God.
    Then why call those acts sins when immoral is a perfectly good word that doesn't imply there is no reason beyond it's only wrong due to God saying so? Claiming God is a way of ending further reasoning.
    If there is a God, and if God recognizes an act as wrong, and if God is not mistaken, then if God says an act is wrong, then it’s wrong, but don’t confuse the informative conveyance of what is said to be wrong with the basis for why it’s wrong.

    An act is not wrong because God says it’s wrong, even if it’s true that an act is wrong when God says it’s wrong.

    Saying that an act is wrong is informative, but saying that the Bible conveys to us that certain acts are wrong is not untrue—even if there is no God and the Bible is fallible.

    Any act considered wrong by the Bible that is in fact wrong is a sin. There’s still a question (however) about whether an act (presuming possibility of biblical error) that an act that isn’t wrong is a sin when it’s still considered wrong by the Bible. It depends, but it depends on what a sin is, not whether the basis for something in the Bible is considered sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no-one-particular View Post
    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?

    I guess start arguing about the existence of God since the word has no use outside that context.

    "Sin" is a theist word for "defiance of God". https://www.gotquestions.org/definition-sin.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
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    Sin is a figment of peoples imagination. Yet some people believe that it is real.

    If these people honestly believe that what they are saying is true then don't you have to respect that?

    What do you say to these delusional people?

    I guess start arguing about the existence of God since the word has no use outside that context.

    "Sin" is a theist word for "defiance of God". https://www.gotquestions.org/definition-sin.html
    So you don't feel obligated to respect their delusion?
    There is no such thing as moral or immoral behavior. Only civilized and uncivilized behavior. Civilized laws are laws that do not give any one person or any one group of people any special rights above what all others have. The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.

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