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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    While rape is no laughing matter, I believe that if women lie and file a false report against men for rape, they should face some type of jail time for damaging the man's reputation. We live in a society where a woman at a job can go up to her boss and say, "He raped me!" and the man will face backlash before the trial even takes place. The man might even get fired. We need to stop this.
    We should not block investigations into sexual assault. A recent report from the American Civil Liberties Union found that the number of states that ban all sex crimes in certain circumstances was reduced by two percent between 2000 and 2015. And a new study published by the Harvard School of Public Health concludes that the number of people raped in the general population fell by nearly a third in the 1990s. The problem now isn't that rape is down in the U.S., it's that it's down among the young men who were raped in the first place. The number of rapists committed some crimes during their college years that they can't legally be a part of, but don't count as rape. They're rapists who got lucky while they were teenagers. These are the same guys who can be trusted by their parents to provide them with a safe and pleasurable sex life, if not the best sex. And if they're being accused of rape, they can be given the benefit of the doubt and their accusers get to call that "sexual assault."

    The real problem is that we still don't deal with sexual assault properly and adequately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    A man's life and reputation is at stake.
    At no point in the confirmation process was this man's life nor his livelihood at stake. This kind of hyperbole does no help to your argument.

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    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brett...b00d690599f991

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    Following the Times’ story, Democratic presidential contender Julián Castro called for Kavanaugh’s impeachment, tweeting Saturday: “It’s more clear than ever that Brett Kavanaugh lied under oath.” He called Kavanaugh’s ascendence a “shame to the Supreme Court.”
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    However, on Sunday, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), another 2020 presidential hopeful, noted that she was one of the senators at those hearings in which “Kavanaugh lied to the U.S. Senate and most importantly to the American people.” And she also called for his impeachment.
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    Democratic presidential contender Elizabeth Warren also addressed the latest allegations on Sunday. “Confirmation is not exoneration, and these newest revelations are disturbing,” she tweeted, adding that Kavanaugh ― and Trump ― should be impeached.
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    Former U.S. attorney Joyce Vance called Saturday for a “full congressional investigation” into Kavanaugh’s behavior and a probe into his past to “determine whether someone, and if so who, gave orders that kept the FBI from investigating credible allegations.”

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    It looks like this is all hitting the fan big time.
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    The dems really are a bunch of unhinged lunatics. Disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    The dems really are a bunch of unhinged lunatics. Disgusting.
    Hyper-partisanship is a serious mental illness. Like on this board, there are still Russia Truthers certain Trump will be exposed any day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TSwizzle View Post
    The dems really are a bunch of unhinged lunatics. Disgusting.
    Hyper-partisanship is a serious mental illness. Like on this board, there are still Russia Truthers certain Trump will be exposed any day now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    A new report reveals that Deborah Ramirez, a woman who claims Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her while she was a student at Yale University, may have had evidence to corroborate her story — but that Republicans created a process which would stifle her account so that Kavanaugh could be confirmed.
    What real evidence could there possibly be more than 30 years later?

    He must be impeached."
    "Politics of personal destruction" was bad when Republicans did it to Clinton, and it is just as bad now.

    We will need a lot more popcorn. It will be very interesting to see where all of this goes.
    Probably on a slow train (AOC approved!) to nowhere.

    By the way, before this new story broke, there was this:
    Video Shows Christine Blasey Ford's Attorney Saying Kavanaugh Testimony Was Politically Motivated
    Apparently, Blasey-Ford made her allegations for political reasons. I expect Ramirez et al are same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    Digging deeper into allegations made by Deborah Ramirez during the Kavanaugh hearings the Times reports, “She and some classmates had been drinking heavily when, she says, a freshman named Brett Kavanaugh pulled down his pants and thrust his penis at her, prompting her to swat it away and inadvertently touch it,” which the Kavanaugh dismissed by saying, “If the incident Ms. Ramirez described had occurred, it would have been ‘the talk of campus.’”
    Deborah is the accuser who initially said that she could not remember that the alleged penis belonged to Brett.

    This was not rape but it was crude behavior beyond the pale.
    Should there be no statute of limitations on "crude behavior" in college? He who is without "crude behavior" at a drunken party in college shall cast the first stone at Kavanaugh.

    And the FBI failed to due their duty, they failed to use due diligence in their investigation.
    Since she wasn't willing to testify anyway, what duty did FBI have here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    Two F.B.I. agents interviewed Ms. Ramirez, telling her that they found her “credible.”
    That just means they could not dismiss it out of hand. But how "credible" can she really be if she could not, initially, even remember to whom the alleged penis belonged to?
    Quote Originally Posted by CNN
    On the night of the alleged incident, Ramirez admits to being drunk and, since then, having gaps in her memory. According to The New Yorker, "she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh's role in the alleged incident with certainty."
    The magazine reported that it took six days of "carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney" for Ramirez to go on record accusing Kavanaugh." The Times reported that Ramirez had contacted several of her former classmates to see if they remembered the incident because she could not be certain that Kavanaugh had been the perpetrator. CNN has not been able to find any firsthand eyewitnesses to corroborate her story
    She only became "certain" it was Brett's penis after consulting with her lawyer. Not fishy at all.

    But the Republican-controlled Senate had imposed strict limits on the investigation.
    Ramirez did not testify at the hearings, and FBI doesn't usually investigate college kids exposing themselves.
    If a crime was committed, Ramirez should have reported it to the local police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    Add to this your loaded statement that sometimes women lie about being raped. Most often, they don't.
    Nothing "loaded" about that. And feminists love to downplay both the frequency and seriousness of false allegations. But they happen, they can have serious consequences and men accused of rape (or even of just showing their dicks in public) should not be presumed guilty.
    Remember this?


    And most often, the rapists do lie about it. There will probably now be a long investigation of what happened in regards to the FBI investigations being hobbled by Senate directives meant to get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court come hell or high water. Political rat fucking from the usual suspects.
    Or a politically motivated witch hunt and high tech lynching.

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