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    I seem to remember (perhaps wrongly) that the Houthis have launched attacks within Saudi Arabia before. But this is not our fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    I seem to remember (perhaps wrongly) that the Houthis have launched attacks within Saudi Arabia before. But this is not our fight.
    When you write "our" you seem to think you and I are part of the group making decisions and whose interest a decision would be made on behalf of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    I seem to remember (perhaps wrongly) that the Houthis have launched attacks within Saudi Arabia before. But this is not our fight.
    Correct. This is just another aspect of the long-standing Sunni/Shia war. It gets very little press except when something dramatic happens or when someone wants to parade the victims to condemn the other side. Both sides are clearly evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    I seem to remember (perhaps wrongly) that the Houthis have launched attacks within Saudi Arabia before. But this is not our fight.
    The Saudis couldn't keep a plane in the air if their lives depended on it. They simply pay western contractors to do all their work while they pretend how important they are. If we quit helping the Saudis they would be annihilated in very, very, very short order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    I seem to remember (perhaps wrongly) that the Houthis have launched attacks within Saudi Arabia before. But this is not our fight.
    Correct. This is just another aspect of the long-standing Sunni/Shia war. It gets very little press except when something dramatic happens or when someone wants to parade the victims to condemn the other side. Both sides are clearly evil.
    Worse, this is a war between the most extreme versions of each. There are no 'good guys' here, and so taking sides would be monumentally foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post
    So the King of America is just going to listen to the King of the Saudis after an oil attack and wage war on someone.
    - KSA is an ally attacked by an enemy.
    - The attack knocked off 5% of world oil production. That is a significant loss of capacity and keeping oil markets stable is in US national interest.
    - Iran has been getting bolder and bolder in recent years. Getting too big for their britches. Time to knock them down a peg or two.

    No Congress for the Chosen One?
    We can always just use the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists. SOP in other words.

    No democracy? No legal process of vetting information and investigation or due process... Just, "well the Saudis said so. so let's Bomb Iran!" or whoever.
    Either Iran did it directly or they got their wholly owned foreign subsidiary, the Houthis (a IRGC company) to do it for them. In either case, Iran is ultimately responsibe.
    So yes, 🎶bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!🎶

    At least the people around him keep him from acting out his worst fantasies some of the time...
    When Iran downed our drone, Trump should have retaliated. Not doing so made us look weak, emboldening the mullahs to escalate further.
    Trump is way too much of a dove. Hillary would have already bombed these towelheads back to the 12th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbos View Post
    My understanding they used toy drones anybody can buy. How are they going to link Iran to this?
    Where did you get that? I have not seen that claim anywhere.
    That's not to say Iran is not happy about this attack but so is anyone who exports oil, except KSA.
    Iran directly threatened oil production in the Persian Gulf before.
    Iranian President Hassan Rouhani threatens to close Strait of Hormuz if US blocks oil exports

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    First off, waiting to hear from the Sauds? What in the heck type of message does that send?
    That we talk to our allies who were attacked?

    Next, Iran shot down our drone and we were "cocked and loaded" and then went flaccid.
    A big mistake.
    We going to attack Iran for attacking an oil refinery in Saudi Arabia instead?
    If we don't, it will make them even bolder. What's next? Iraq-Anschluss?

    Finally, this dumbass doesn't realize that when you always bluff, it means nothing.
    Yes, kind of like Obama's red line in Syria that came to nothing the next time Assad crossed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Meanwhile, VP's Chief of Staff had this to say about 'locked and loaded':

    Quote Originally Posted by article
    "I think that 'locked and loaded' is a broad term and talks about the realities that we're all far safer and more secure domestically from energy independence," said Vice President Mike Pence's chief of staff Marc Short on Monday morning.
    So what Trump meant was completely unrelated to what he actually said.
    No surprise there.

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