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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non colligate amateur athletics'?
    There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?


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    Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

    What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.
    If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    If a college runner gets compensation can he compete in non colligate amateur athletics'?
    There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?


    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    Cooler basketball, football, and baseball has long been a semi pro farm league supplying pro sports. The quality of the education athletes manage to get has been questionable for a very long time.

    What does it cost for 4 years at a major school including all expenses? It is not like they get nothing.
    If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?
    Because we're turning an entire generation into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post

    There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?




    If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?
    Because we're turning an entire generation into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education".
    To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post

    There's not much in the way of "amateur" athletics outside the NCAA. The Olympics gave up the "amateur" facade a long time ago. What amateur events did you have in mind?




    If the quality of the education makes it valueless, and in many cases it does, why does it matter what it costs?
    Because we're turning an entire generation into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education".
    To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.
    Yes, and we've seen the affluent bribe their entitled spawn, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework hence the bribing, into universities and they will not become debt peons either, they wind up on directors boards, on the US Supreme Kangaroo Court and in other position of authority over the rest of us. All as we're turning an entire generation of commoners into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education", none of which is mutually exclusive in any rational view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post
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    To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.
    Yes, and we've seen the affluent bribe their entitled spawn, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework hence the bribing, into universities and they will not become debt peons either, they wind up on directors boards, on the US Supreme Kangaroo Court and in other position of authority over the rest of us. All as we're turning an entire generation of commoners into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education", none of which is mutually exclusive in any rational view.
    You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post
    You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.
    Nicely expressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post
    You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.
    Nicely expressed
    Agreed.
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    Amateurism in sports died a long, long time ago. As hurtinbuckaroo pointed out USOC gave up the facade in 1992 at the Barcelona Summer Olympics when the Dream Team first played. Since then it hasn't hurt the Olympics in the least. As a matter of fact the Olympics are more popular then ever now. The doom-and-gloomers have always said that getting rid of amateurism in college sports will ruin it. These are the same doom-and-gloomers that said free agency would ruin professional sports back in the seventies. Yet, it hasn't happened. If anything, it made professional leagues like MLB, the NFL and the NBA more competitive. College athletics will do just fine without amateurism. The idea of amateurism was a concept that fit the times of the early twentieth century. Those times have long ago changed. College sports is big business now and should be treated like it.

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    The whole reason for amateurism was to keep working class people out of sports. To reserve it for 'gentlemen'. Working class people needed money and had to compete for money. 'Gentlemen' could afford to compete for 'the love of the sport.'

    Eldarion Lathria

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post

    To be clear, we’re discussing the quality of education received by the athletes, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework. They don’t become “debt peons”, because they’re on full scholarship.
    Yes, and we've seen the affluent bribe their entitled spawn, many of whom aren’t qualified to do college coursework hence the bribing, into universities and they will not become debt peons either, they wind up on directors boards, on the US Supreme Kangaroo Court and in other position of authority over the rest of us. All as we're turning an entire generation of commoners into debt peons for valueless to we the people "education", none of which is mutually exclusive in any rational view.
    You remind me of a 5-year-old with a hammer: every thread looks like a nail. Try staying on topic.
    Nothing is connected to anything is it, reality is all just disconnected bits that have no relationship one to the other. Have you considered widening your sphere of influence? Your 5-year-old with a hammer may not have all your answers for you.

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