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    Just imagine if this was an Iranian drone strike on a Western nation

    U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

    “U.S. forces conducted a drone strike against Da’esh (IS) terrorists in Nangarhar,” said Colonel Sonny Leggett, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. “We are aware of allegations of the death of non-combatants and are working with local officials to determine the facts.”

    About 14,000 U.S. troops are in Afghanistan, training and advising Afghan security forces and conducting counter-insurgency operations against IS and the Taliban movement.

    Haidar Khan, who owns the pine nut fields, said about 150 workers were there for harvesting, with some still missing as well as the confirmed dead and injured.

    A survivor of the drone strike said about 200 laborers were sleeping in five tents pitched near the farm when the attack happened.
    The article also includes this graphic:




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    To answer the caption's question, yes, you are the bad guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    To answer the caption's question, yes, you are the bad guys.
    That isn't fair. We are good guys that are doing a very poor job at being good. Just think of it like the US is *Jessica Jones reference*

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    . Ultimately, us leaving also makes things worse as the Taliban will regain control quickly and lots of women will suffer tremendously. Of course, killing thousands of civilians... not helping the cause either.

    Sadly the the W Administration took the US past a point of no return. Where there might have been a chance at success, the Neocons got bored of Afghanistan quickly because they really wanted to go into Iraq. Kind of like when someone uses a less attractive sister to get with her hot sibling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    To answer the caption's question, yes, you are the bad guys.
    That isn't fair. We are good guys that are doing a very poor job at being good.
    I think it's very fair. You constantly murder large groups of civilians in pursuit of some nebulous goal that not even you can properly define and, after eighteen years of trying, all that mass murder hasn't brought you anything except increased revenue for defense contractors. Your only reason for continuing to do it at this point is because you value not looking weak more than you value the lives of innocents.

    That's not doing a poor job of being good anymore than Jeffrey Dahmer simply did a poor job of trying to add more meat to his diet. It's being fucking evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    To answer the caption's question, yes, you are the bad guys.
    That isn't fair. We are good guys that are doing a very poor job at being good.
    I think it's very fair. You constantly murder large groups of civilians in pursuit of some nebulous goal that not even you can properly define and, after eighteen years of trying, all that mass murder hasn't brought you anything except increased revenue for defense contractors. Your only reason for continuing to do it at this point is because you value not looking weak more than you value the lives of innocents.

    That's not doing a poor job of being good anymore than Jeffrey Dahmer simply did a poor job of trying to add more meat to his diet. It's being fucking evil.
    Well, more, we have a common name to refer to someone who is bad at being good: evil.

    Nobody generally sees a villain in the mirror. Villain is a label earned and given, not decided upon and taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    To answer the caption's question, yes, you are the bad guys.
    That isn't fair. We are good guys that are doing a very poor job at being good.
    I think it's very fair. You constantly murder large groups of civilians...
    Not true... usually it is a dozen or three or four dozen tops each incident. We just have a high number of incidents. [/sarcasm]
    ...in pursuit of some nebulous goal that not even you can properly define and, after eighteen years of trying, all that mass murder hasn't brought you anything except increased revenue for defense contractors. Your only reason for continuing to do it at this point is because you value not looking weak more than you value the lives of innocents.
    I think in general, we are still there because if we leave, the Taliban move back in and no one wins with that.

    That's not doing a poor job of being good anymore than Jeffrey Dahmer simply did a poor job of trying to add more meat to his diet. It's being fucking evil.
    No, being fucking evil would be nuking Afghanistan. Being pathetic would be making a "peace deal" with the Taliban. The US has no good option in Afghanistan. US forces accidentally kill dozens while the Taliban intentionally kills hundreds. No good comes from any of it.

    The US will most certainly not defeat the Taliban. Should the US let the Taliban take the nation over again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post

    I think it's very fair. You constantly murder large groups of civilians...
    Not true... usually it is a dozen or three or four dozen tops each incident. We just have a high number of incidents. [/sarcasm]
    ...in pursuit of some nebulous goal that not even you can properly define and, after eighteen years of trying, all that mass murder hasn't brought you anything except increased revenue for defense contractors. Your only reason for continuing to do it at this point is because you value not looking weak more than you value the lives of innocents.
    I think in general, we are still there because if we leave, the Taliban move back in and no one wins with that.

    That's not doing a poor job of being good anymore than Jeffrey Dahmer simply did a poor job of trying to add more meat to his diet. It's being fucking evil.
    No, being fucking evil would be nuking Afghanistan. Being pathetic would be making a "peace deal" with the Taliban. The US has no good option in Afghanistan. US forces accidentally kill dozens while the Taliban intentionally kills hundreds. No good comes from any of it.

    The US will most certainly not defeat the Taliban. Should the US let the Taliban take the nation over again?
    Whether or not the Taliban are in power in Afghanistan is not the entirety of the situation in Afghanistan. We have the resources to strike at the root causes of terrorism: poverty, unemployment, hunger, ignorance and disease. But this cannot happen because the country is at the nexus of imperialism due to its oil resources, and this is the real reason we remain there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    To answer the caption's question, yes, you are the bad guys.
    Who is the "you" you are referring to? Because that's not a US uniform but a German one.


    And to answer Mitchell's question, the uniform has a Totenkopf because it was a Prussian/German military tradition, going back to Frederick the Great (Friedrich der Grosse) in the 18th century.
    Even Prussian princesses wore it.

    (she was an honorary colonel of a Hussar regiment)

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    Mistakes happen in war. They can't be completely avoided. But there is a fundamental difference in targeting a military target and hitting civilians by mistake and targeting a civilian target, like Iran did when it attacked Saudi civilian oil infrastructure.
    Or like Iranian controlled Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Houthis do on a regular basis when they target civilians in terrorist attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Ultimately, us leaving also makes things worse as the Taliban will regain control quickly and lots of women will suffer tremendously.
    Indeed. But as long as they can claim victories against the scourge of ring girls and bikini ads in the tube, you won't find much outrage from most Western feminists. They will be too busy trying on hijabs at the Women's March.

    Of course, killing thousands of civilians... not helping the cause either.
    By the way, how do we know all of those people in the OP graphic were actually civilians? What methodology did they use?

    Sadly the the W Administration took the US past a point of no return. Where there might have been a chance at success, the Neocons got bored of Afghanistan quickly because they really wanted to go into Iraq. Kind of like when someone uses a less attractive sister to get with her hot sibling.
    The problem is also that 98% of Afghans are radical Islamists who believe in things like Sharia law. So groups like Taliban and ISIS find a lot of support and only times Afghanistan looks halfway civilized is when an outside power (US, Soviets, British, ..., Alexander the Great) controls it.
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