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    Joe jumped off a cliff and died.

    How is the idea expressed in classical propositional logic that one event caused another one event?

    For example:

    Joe jumped off a cliff and died.
    Please read the question carefully. Please don't go into the usual wild and nonsensical answers most people here usually do.

    If you understand both English and human deductive logic, it should be a piece of cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    How is the idea expressed in classical propositional logic that one event caused another one event?

    For example:

    Joe jumped off a cliff and died.
    Please read the question carefully. Please don't go into the usual wild and nonsensical answers most people here usually do.

    If you understand both English and human deductive logic, it should be a piece of cake.
    EB
    The brits? And logic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post

    The brits? And logic?
    Yeah, fair point.

    They're trying to both leave and not leave. Both with and without a deal. To have an election and not to have an election. To be independent both of the E.U. and of the U.S. Illogical.

    Maybe Lewis Carroll, perhaps?

    But, yeah, Bertrand Russell, definitely not.

    And Schrödinger was German, right? You know, "dead and alive"! LOL.

    But Isn't Trump some kind of American? Or is he in fact German? Isn't he president and not president at the same time?

    Hey, wait, this is a derail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fentoine Lum View Post

    The brits? And logic?
    Yeah, fair point.

    They're trying to both leave and not leave. Both with and without a deal. To have an election and not to have an election. To be independent both of the E.U. and of the U.S. Illogical.

    Maybe Lewis Carroll, perhaps?

    But, yeah, Bertrand Russell, definitely not.

    And Schrödinger was German, right? You know, "dead and alive"! LOL.

    But Isn't Trump some kind of American? Or is he in fact German? Isn't he president and not president at the same time?

    Hey, wait, this is a derail!
    EB
    Don is so fucked up I rather think that, as an american, we must admit that at this juncture, Don is the quintessential american. President and not president at the same time coupled with endless illusion and spectacle seems quite in line with things such as:

    • A nation that prattles on endlessly about peace but is constantly engaged in multiple endless wars of aggression, occupations, destabilizations and interventions for profit and control of natural resources of others

    • A nation that waxes philosophically about freedom while running THE most expansive detainment/incarceration apparatus ever known to human kind, complete with convict labor leasing (which is "legal" enslavement) to corporations; all having been turned into private corporate revenue generational "opportunities"


    • A nation that proclaims itself to be a free market society as it actually functions thusly;
    • Privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class
    • Internalized profits versus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
    • Socialism for the aristocracy versus laissez-faire capitalism for the masses

    • A nation that looks back to reclaim some imaginary mythical past as it hides from dealing with objective reality in the present

    • A nation that espouses its young to be the future yet subjugates them as debt peons in exchange for education, uncouples a generation from upward social mobility and leaves to them a damaged planet while allowing contaminated public water to become endemic within the US

    Yes I would say Don is some kind of american indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    How is the idea expressed in classical propositional logic that one event caused another one event?

    For example:

    Joe jumped off a cliff and died.
    Please read the question carefully. Please don't go into the usual wild and nonsensical answers most people here usually do.

    If you understand both English and human deductive logic, it should be a piece of cake.
    EB
    Delightful invitation!

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    'Joe jumped off a cliff and died ' is a declaration that is either true ot false.

    p1 Joe jumped off a cliff and died
    p2 Joe was wearing a parachute
    c1 parachute malfunctioned
    c2 Joe had a heart attack
    c3 ...

    'Joe jumped off a cliff and died' and 'If Joe jumped off a 2000 foot cliff falling strait down hitting the ground, then he died' are two different things.

    p1 Joe jumped from a cliff
    c Joe died.

    There is not enough information in the syllogism to draw a conclusion. c does not necessarily follow from p.

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    Well all right! I got the last word.

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    So, given the above if we substitute The Donald for Joe?

    What then? I don't know about GI Joe, but I do know about The Donald. His supporters won't permit him to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speakpigeon View Post
    How is the idea expressed in classical propositional logic that one event caused another one event?

    For example:

    Joe jumped off a cliff and died.
    Please read the question carefully. Please don't go into the usual wild and nonsensical answers most people here usually do.

    If you understand both English and human deductive logic, it should be a piece of cake.
    EB
    The sentence doesn't express that idea. It simply says they are both things that happened. If Joe famously jumped a particular cliff in a wing suit and tragically died in a car accident later the same year, it's perfectly fine to say "Joe, who jumped a cliff and died in 2017" to remind your audience who it is you're talking about. In a hypothetical future where medicine has progressed to the point where resurrecting people is a standard procedure, even "Joe jumped a cliff and died, but I don't remember which he did first" is perfectly acceptable.
    Last edited by Jokodo; 10-06-2019 at 10:08 PM.

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    Please read the question carefully. Please don't go into the usual wild and nonsensical answers most people here usually do.

    If you understand both English and human deductive logic, it should be a piece of cake.
    EB

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