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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
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    Heh. Tell that to the girls who have to compete with biological boys in sport. Or the gynecologist who does a pap smear on a biological man.
    Why would a gynecologist do a pap smear on someone who doesn't have a cervix?
    Woah. Back off TERF.
    Dodge noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
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    Why would a gynecologist do a pap smear on someone who doesn't have a cervix?
    Can't the gynocologist just humor them and smear the prostatic utricle?
    That would be unethical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    I suppose if you took a fertlized embryo and placed it in a man’s abdomen - like some Unit 731 experiment - you might succeed in having a man give birth; at least surgically. (Abdominal pregnancy is a thing.) But zealot wokeness does not change human biology. Humans are sexually dimorphic. Taking hormones or having your genitals mutilated does not change that. Whoever gave you mitochondria is your mother.
    While I mostly agree, suppose then that someone figures how to make viable gametes out of stem cells or something like that. Then, they could make ova from the cells of a man (not trans anything, but, say, you), then fertilize them, and so on. But he still would not be a mother. So, I'd say the word "mother" does not work like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angra Mainyu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trausti View Post
    I suppose if you took a fertlized embryo and placed it in a man’s abdomen - like some Unit 731 experiment - you might succeed in having a man give birth; at least surgically. (Abdominal pregnancy is a thing.) But zealot wokeness does not change human biology. Humans are sexually dimorphic. Taking hormones or having your genitals mutilated does not change that. Whoever gave you mitochondria is your mother.
    While I mostly agree, suppose then that someone figures how to make viable gametes out of stem cells or something like that. Then, they could make ova from the cells of a man (not trans anything, but, say, you), then fertilize them, and so on. But he still would not be a mother. So, I'd say the word "mother" does not work like that.
    Why wouldn't he be a mother? Nit necessarily a good mother, but at least a mother.
    For 41 years, Shaft has been a bad mother...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Hilarious.
    Do you really want to go there?
    Shall we scroll thru just this thread alone and see how many direct questions you have not answered at all?

    I decline to credit some of your assumptions, or play in your fantasy world. You keep skipping past my actual answers to try to force me into a corner of your devising. Nope. I expressly said i do not have that decision to make, so your conclusion does not follow.
    Keith, we are playing, "what if?" here. Sort of like if one were to ask you, "Would you rather be Han Solo or Luke Skywalker?" A party pooper would answer, "Ha! I would never be in such a situation! Star Wars is fake! I have no decision to make!"

    A fun person answers the question because they are not scared of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post

    The bold is interesting. Are you suggesting men should be able to go to ladies night and just say, "I'm a woman!" and they get to go in? Wow! This renders ladies night moot.
    Wow. You have no idea what ladies' night is for at all, do you.

    I'm glad you stay away from bars on ladies' night.
    Really.
    I don't want to live in a world where men can go to women's prisons just because they say they are a woman and where men can go to ladies nights (and get discounts for saying they are women).

    You and Keith would be running a world like that.

    This is how it would look:

    Guilty Murderer/Rapist: "I'm a woman now! I demand you put me in a woman's prison!"
    Judge Keith: "OK, ma'am. No problem."

    Bar Owning Keith: "Ladies night half off tonight!"
    Stallone-looking guy: "I'm a woman!"
    Bar Owning Keith: "Half off for the lady! Get her a round!"

    You're welcome to denounce this if you would not do this stuff, Keith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
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    The bold is interesting. Are you suggesting men should be able to go to ladies night and just say, "I'm a woman!" and they get to go in? Wow! This renders ladies night moot.
    Wow. You have no idea what ladies' night is for at all, do you.

    I'm glad you stay away from bars on ladies' night.
    Really.
    I don't want to live in a world where men can go to women's prisons just because they say they are a woman and where men can go to ladies nights (and get discounts for saying they are women).

    You and Keith would be running a world like that.

    This is how it would look:

    Guilty Murderer/Rapist: "I'm a woman now! I demand you put me in a woman's prison!"
    Judge Keith: "OK, ma'am. No problem."

    Bar Owning Keith: "Ladies night half off tonight!"
    Stallone-looking guy: "I'm a woman!"
    Bar Owning Keith: "Half off for the lady! Get her a round!"

    You're welcome to denounce this if you would not do this stuff, Keith.
    People let you post here, but you're not a real poster. So...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post

    People let you post here, but you're not a real poster. So...
    Keith's OWN WORDS were "If they say they are a woman, they are a woman." That is Keith's EXACT belief.
    With that in mind, please explain how what I posted would be wrong.

    The only way for it to be wrong is if Keith backpedals and changes his views on the subject.

    Very very VERY simple stuff here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don2 (Don1 Revised) View Post

    People let you post here, but you're not a real poster. So...
    Keith's OWN WORDS were "If they say they are a woman, they are a woman." That is Keith's EXACT belief.
    With that in mind, please explain how what I posted would be wrong.

    The only way for it to be wrong is if Keith backpedals and changes his views on the subject.

    Very very VERY simple stuff here.
    Am I supposed to believe you're a poster just because you say so? Yes or no?

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