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    Should Presiding Judges be allowed to preach their Religion in the Courtroom?

    Did anyone else see this? I noticed the incident before the article appeared and thought the judges actions out of line.

    Judge gives bible and preaches to convicted murderer

    During the four-minute encounter between the judge and Guyger, according to the complaint, Kemp told the 31-year-old former Dallas cop, “It’s not because I’m good. It’s because I believe in Christ. I’m not so good. You haven’t done as much as you think you have, and you can be forgiven. You did something bad in one moment in time. What you do now matters.”
    The judge also gave to her one of her personal bibles.

    A judge doing this, particularly while performing public duty in a courtroom in which she is presiding, is definitely a breach of separation. She should not be allowed to do this and should receive a letter directing her to cease and desist. I doubt she thought she was doing anything wrong, or maybe just didn't care, emotions and all taking over.

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    Shouldn't be a judge anymore.

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    The farther south you go, the more this happens. FFRF's legal team has dealt with this several times in recent memory -- sometimes, but not always successfully. Some judges set themselves up as junior satraps.

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    I saw this live, as the Guyger trial was heavily covered by local media and this event occurred during the six PM news. In fairness to the judge, the trial was over, including victim impact statements and sentencing. The judge had come down off the bench, although she was still in her robes so that distinction may be moot. The emotions were indeed running very high at the moment, as the victim’s brother had just publicly forgiven Guyger and hugged her in the courtroom, whereupon Guyger completely broke down.

    I thought about how religious conversions often happen under extreme emotional distress, and how the religious know this and can take advantage of it.

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    Shouldn't be a judge anymore.
    This all happened about a mile from Jeffress' ("Trump's farts smell sweet") First Baptist Church, so I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
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    Should Presiding Judges be allowed to preach their Religion in the Courtroom?

    That might depend on the nature and extent of the preaching. A few isolated minutes shouldn’t violate any reasonable sense of a proper notion of separation of church and state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    Should Presiding Judges be allowed to preach their Religion in the Courtroom?

    That might depend on the nature and extent of the preaching. A few isolated minutes shouldn’t violate any reasonable sense of a proper notion of separation of church and state.
    What the fuck is a 'proper' notion of CSS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    Should Presiding Judges be allowed to preach their Religion in the Courtroom?

    That might depend on the nature and extent of the preaching. A few isolated minutes shouldn’t violate any reasonable sense of a proper notion of separation of church and state.
    What the fuck is a 'proper' notion of CSS?
    It probably means “freedom *of* religion not freedom *from* religion”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    Should Presiding Judges be allowed to preach their Religion in the Courtroom?

    That might depend on the nature and extent of the preaching. A few isolated minutes shouldn’t violate any reasonable sense of a proper notion of separation of church and state.
    What the fuck is a 'proper' notion of CSS?
    https://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/grammar.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowy Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith&Co. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fast View Post
    Should Presiding Judges be allowed to preach their Religion in the Courtroom?

    That might depend on the nature and extent of the preaching. A few isolated minutes shouldn’t violate any reasonable sense of a proper notion of separation of church and state.
    What the fuck is a 'proper' notion of CSS?
    It probably means “freedom *of* religion not freedom *from* religion”.
    There cannot be freedom of religion for the people, unless the government and it's application of the law if free from religion, just like no wall can have only one side. Anytime a government official brings their personal religious beliefs into their job where they make decisions that impact people's lives, then they are causing religion to impact people's lives and the application of the law.

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    Well, exactly, and it's not a small deal. Even prayer invocations at city council meetings are an announcement that "we" are people of faith and that "you" who object are some sort of outliers.

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