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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    It is sort of like posting an image of a Nazi flag waving neck beard at a demonstration and holding that up as being the average Republican. That would make right wingers howl. But they love doing that towards "leftists" and feminists.
    Katherine MacKinnon is an extremely influential radical feminist. Hardly comparable with some random guy at a protest.
    If I go looking for the context of that statement, what do you think I will find? That the quoted text accurately sums up MacKinnon's thesis, or that it's a mined quote, perhaps even a fragment of a quote, that misrepresents her point in a way anti-feminists find useful to deceive the ignorant?

    ETA:
    Oh, look. The very first result of a Google search says it's both a misattribution and an inaccurate paraphrase:

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    Misattributed[edit]
    All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman. The allegation that Catharine MacKinnon equated sex with rape, or suggested that all sex is hostile, seems to have been first made in the October 1986 issue of Playboy. Catharine MacKinnon has denied ever saying anything of the kind. [1]
    Instead MacKinnon asserts that rape and intercourse are "difficult to distinguish" (1983), and that "the major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it" (1989).

    In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent. These words were quoted by the conservative writer Cal Thomas as coming from Professing Feminism, a book which he mistakenly ascribed to Catharine MacKinnon. [2] The passage does appear in that book, but is given as the author's characterization of MacKinnon's views rather than a direct quotation.
    Instead MacKinnon argues that heterosexuality "institutionalizes male sexual dominance and female sexual submission" (1982) and that "Sexual access is regularly forced or pressured or routinized beyond denial" (1991).

    Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in [sic] the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of Feminism. Falsely attributed to Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p. 10 in "Waste, Fraud, and Abuse: Hearing Before the Committee on Ways and Means", US House of Representatives, 2003-07-17, and spread on the Internet.
    Probably based on the quotation opening Chapter 1: "Marxism and feminism are one, and that one is Marxism." — Heidi Hartmann and Amy Bridges, "The Unhappy Marriage of Marxism and Feminism"
    Why am I not surprised you didn't bother to check that stupid meme for accuracy before you posted it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctish View Post

    If I go looking for the context of that statement, what do you think I will find? That the quoted text accurately sums up MacKinnon's thesis, or that it's a mined quote, perhaps even a fragment of a quote, that misrepresents her point in a way anti-feminists find useful to deceive the ignorant?

    ETA:
    Oh, look. The very first result of a Google search says it's both a misattribution and an inaccurate paraphrase:

    wikiquote

    Misattributed[edit]
    All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman. The allegation that Catharine MacKinnon equated sex with rape, or suggested that all sex is hostile, seems to have been first made in the October 1986 issue of Playboy. Catharine MacKinnon has denied ever saying anything of the kind. [1]
    Instead MacKinnon asserts that rape and intercourse are "difficult to distinguish" (1983), and that "the major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it" (1989).

    In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent. These words were quoted by the conservative writer Cal Thomas as coming from Professing Feminism, a book which he mistakenly ascribed to Catharine MacKinnon. [2] The passage does appear in that book, but is given as the author's characterization of MacKinnon's views rather than a direct quotation.
    Instead MacKinnon argues that heterosexuality "institutionalizes male sexual dominance and female sexual submission" (1982) and that "Sexual access is regularly forced or pressured or routinized beyond denial" (1991).

    Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in [sic] the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of Feminism. Falsely attributed to Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p. 10 in "Waste, Fraud, and Abuse: Hearing Before the Committee on Ways and Means", US House of Representatives, 2003-07-17, and spread on the Internet.
    Probably based on the quotation opening Chapter 1: "Marxism and feminism are one, and that one is Marxism." — Heidi Hartmann and Amy Bridges, "The Unhappy Marriage of Marxism and Feminism"
    Why am I not surprised you didn't bother to check that stupid meme for accuracy before you posted it?
    But if a man said she said it, then it must be what she really meant, right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    You don't seem to understand, Keith. Lots of women these days are promiscuous and have sex with the "bad boys" in their 20's and once they hit their 30's, they settle down for "nice guys" and then end up resenting them because they are pushovers and she wishes she didn't waste her 20's sleeping around. Guy is upset that the girl is insane and the girl is upset that the guy is a pushover. Incels are tired of waiting for the leftovers because girls don't give them a chance until they are in their 30's. By that time, all the magic and fun is gone and they live a life of depression until death.

    Sad stuff, Keith.
    Wow, do you and Derec cheat off each other’s tests? That’s practically verbatim for what he obsesses over.

    Why the heck EITHER of you are chasing after women who “like bad boys” is utterly beyond me.

    Edited to add - this doesn’t even make sense. Why would she “wish she didn’t waste her 20s sleeping around,” if the 30yo guys are so boring? Wouldn’t she be glad she did while she could? This is nonsense.

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    As a general rule, I try not to listen to advice about women and feminism by men/boys who are clearly permanently single. I also try not to tar approximately half the human race with the same brush. I'm just weird that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-Life View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post


    And you think that following a woman you don’t know on the street = “simply talking” to her? Dude. You just described a stranger starting to follow a woman down the street, and you can’t figure out why you’d be chastised for that?


    Let's try a thought experiment. Think of a man you find very attractive. It doesn't matter who it is. It can be a famous person or any random person. If this person came up to you on the street and got your attention, you would call them a creep?

    Or is it only the guys you find ugly that you call creeps?
    Some of the worst creepers are handsome men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    There is also reality that there are a lot of "players" who have a number of "side chicks". Since in the human species there are similar numbers of men and women, players having a relationship with several women (effectively an informal polygyny) at the same time means that there aren't enough women for the entire male population.
    There are NOT a “lot”.
    Where do you get this nonsense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    There is also reality that there are a lot of "players" who have a number of "side chicks". Since in the human species there are similar numbers of men and women, players having a relationship with several women (effectively an informal polygyny) at the same time means that there aren't enough women for the entire male population.
    There are NOT a “lot”.
    Where do you get this nonsense?
    Probably from the same source that says if the promiscuous person is female, she is to be called a slut, NEVER a "player" with "side studs", and that true incels will react with revulsion when meeting one, NEVER with hope and gladness, because only beta cucks desire sex with women whose lady parts are "worn out" from "overuse".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post
    Only an incel could think an experienced woman is a "leftover".
    It's not, at least to me, that they are "leftovers" but that they ignored me while I was younger and biologically in my sexual prime. Why should I give them time of day now when they didn't do that before? Turnabout is fair play.
    You write this like they are the same women.
    Have you really never met a single new female since you were 20?
    Or are you painting the entire gender with the brush you had as a youth?
    If I judged all men by the ones I knew in my 20s, and assigned them punishment for what those 20-somethings did... wow, that would be pretty outlandish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
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    And you think that following a woman you don’t know on the street = “simply talking” to her? Dude. You just described a stranger starting to follow a woman down the street, and you can’t figure out why you’d be chastised for that?


    Let's try a thought experiment. Think of a man you find very attractive. It doesn't matter who it is. It can be a famous person or any random person. If this person came up to you on the street and got your attention, you would call them a creep?

    Or is it only the guys you find ugly that you call creeps?
    Some of the worst creepers are handsome men.
    This is really true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hurtinbuckaroo View Post
    Only an incel could think an experienced woman is a "leftover".
    It's not, at least to me, that they are "leftovers" but that they ignored me while I was younger and biologically in my sexual prime. Why should I give them time of day now when they didn't do that before? Turnabout is fair play.
    You write this like they are the same women.
    Have you really never met a single new female since you were 20?
    Or are you painting the entire gender with the brush you had as a youth?
    If I judged all men by the ones I knew in my 20s, and assigned them punishment for what those 20-somethings did... wow, that would be pretty outlandish.
    Amen.

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