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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Pentagon Claims US Authority to Shoot Any Syrian Govt Official Who Tries to Take Control of Syrian Oil

    This is the alternative to pulling the troops out. If you think troops should stay in because "Orange Man Bad" that means you approve of this.
    At this point maybe you're right. The Kingdom of Middle North America should probably make good use of its fleeting military advantage over the rest of the world, to seize all the oil on the planet. That will let (the upper crust of) The Kingdom live in relative comfort while the rest of the world will be forced to do the hard work of developing alternate energy sources and technologies. That sort of endeavor is of course beneath the dignity of the Deserving Few, but once new energy tech has been accomplished, we can step in and seize that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Harvestdancer View Post
    Pentagon Claims US Authority to Shoot Any Syrian Govt Official Who Tries to Take Control of Syrian Oil

    This is the alternative to pulling the troops out. If you think troops should stay in because "Orange Man Bad" that means you approve of this.
    At what point in the pullout objection was anyone on the left demnding acts of piracy to steal the oil?

    So, we have troops that won't engage to protect Kurds... which was the excuse for the pullout, to protect our troops..... but will engage to seize oil fields from the rightful...meaning we've still got troops in danger in Syria, but notfrom protecting any allies....
    And you think an objection comes from TDS.
    How are the troops supposed to steal the oil if the aren't in Syria?

    I know, the objection from the left was "Orange man wants to remove troops so troops must stay." There was absolutely no thought whatsoever about the consequences of the troops staying, only that they should stay because "orange man bad". Well, unintended consequences of your position are still consequences of your position. Own the consequences.
    This is not an unintended consequence, though. This us Bonespurs shifting the mission from ISIS to looting.

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    Reminder that the Kurds themselves committed acts of ethnic cleansing against the region's original indigenous inhabitants, including Assyrian Christians who are left out of all reporting on this issue as if they don't exist and don't deserve to exist.

    Each appraisal of the composition, aims, and behaviours of the PYD/YPG project come heavily burdened: many of the characterizations above are not primarily descriptions of Rojava or its chief actors, but a narrow projection of particular interests in relation to them. Lionized as the liberators of women, inclusive trailblazing democrats, and the primary (and often erroneously denoted by some as the only) actors working against IS—or demonized as ethnic cleansers and a proxy force by others—many observers are left with extreme, polarizing views to choose from. This situation is made worse by the high cost of reporting from Syria. Despite much courageous reporting undertaken at great risk, a large space has also opened up for hobbyistic indulgence to expand into long-form propagandistic narratives.

    Thus, we are left mostly with these romances. What is presented in this article is not romance—it comes from an Assyrian perspective—a group that has suffered uncountable losses after the emergence of ISIS/IS in Syria and Iraq. Assessments made by too many analysts and operatives are saddled with exaggerations and hyperbole because they are all downward projections of interests. The experience of Assyrians in Syria takes place on a lower, grittier level several rungs down on both the material and ideological ladders encompassing the realities in northern Syria. It is the experience of details seldom touched upon by parties keen to make sweeping points about the situation.
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    RECOMMENDATIONS

    • Reject unhelpful political binaries, whether “Assad vs. opposition”, or “pro- vs. anti-Kurdish self-administration.” Assyrians in Syria are on the verge of disappearance and their survival in any form must be prioritized for them to have any long-term presence in Syria. Assyrians are trying to survive by any means they see fit given these extreme circumstances. The imposition of binaries does nothing to address the crisis facing Assyrians, nor is it the appropriate framework through which to view a people with insufficient capacities to make political choices to support their interests.
    • The participation of Assyrians in the Kurdish self-administration should not be understood as representing the general will of Assyrians in Syria. The Assyrian participation in the Kurdish self-administration has done nothing to stem the outflow of Assyrians from Syria.
    • In the ongoing absence of a legitimate government in Syria, it is essential that lands to which Assyrians are legally entitled and which Assyrians have inhabited from before the formation of the modern Syrian state, specifically in Qamishli and Khabur, are not subject to occupation, annexation, and reclassification by any forces. The absence of consensual order must not serve as an excuse for short term measures that will likely lead to the permanent disappearance of Assyrians.
    • Depoliticize aid and support directed towards Assyrians and other vulnerable groups in Syria. Detach the material needs of these threatened communities from contingencies involving political conflicts and ideological positions.

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