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    In list form,
    • Marie Newman is challenging 8-term incumbent Dan Lipinski (D-IL)
    • Jessica Cisneros is challenging 8-term incumbent Henry Cuellar (D-TX)
    • Melanie D'Arrigo is challenging 2-term incumbent Tom Suozzi (D-NY)
    • Alex Morse is challenging 16-term incumbent Richard Neal (D-MA)
    • Mckayla Wilkes and Briana Urbana are challenging 20-term incumbent Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
    • Agatha Bacelar, Shahid Buttar, and Tom Gallagher are challenging 17-term incumbent Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)

    Mckayla Wilkes Is Trying To Take Down The Second Most Powerful Democrat In The House - "Inspired By AOC, A Young Progressive Woman Is Trying To Take Down The Second Most Powerful Democrat In The House -- Mckayla Wilkes, inspired by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, sees her focus on Medicare for All and the Green New Deal as a way to beat Rep. Steny Hoyer." Briana Urbana is running on essentially the same platform.

    Shahid Buttar’s Campaign to Unseat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi - California Globe

    This 27-Year-Old Wants To Lead A Progressive Rebellion to Take Down Nancy Pelosi - VICE - "Just don't call her another AOC."

    She wants to unseat someone who has been in Congress for longer than she has been alive. Someone that some people have warned her not to mention.
    Bacelar has a lot of things to sort out in the early going of this underdog campaign. To name another, she needs to decide whether she fashions herself as the next Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Everyone around her seems to want her to. So much so that a two-person film crew flew in from London and is handing bystanders waivers to use their likenesses in an upcoming documentary, “Agatha for Congress (working title),” which they’re betting can be the next “Knock Down the House.”

    But while AOC hammed it up for the camera, Bacelar seems deeply uncomfortable with the attention.

    “I don't see anyone else with cameras following them. Like, why me?” she says. “I’m trying to acknowledge certain similarities, but also just be me.”
    She doesn't consider it likely that she will win, but she wants to advertise herself. Like finishing second in the primary, which means that in California's top-two system, she will move on to the general election.
    Bacelar doesn’t have Ocasio-Cortez’s ebullience or moral righteousness. She doesn’t work a room, and she isn’t backed by insurgent money or buoyed by an ethnological demographic shift, like AOC was. Instead, Bacelar believes the Bay Area’s tech boom and the resulting influx of young voting-age tech workers is her ticket to victory. The city’s average age is 38.5, and most young people don’t vote. But she’s got an app for that.
    AB seems rather introverted, unlike AOC's being very extroverted. But then again, some introverts have made it to the White House.

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    One of things I'm seeing is that it's time to amend the constitution again to put term limits on the house and senate.

    My idea: pass an amendment that repeals the 22nd, and replaces it with a 12 year limit on the house, senate, and presidency. At most, if one serves in both houses, and the presidency, one could theoretically serve in the government for 36 years, but we have senators and house members that already do that, and they get entrenched, and almost always wind up corrupted (the few that weren't already).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    But this trend is extremely predictable and happens over and over. Dems win congress. Then they get cocky. They go against the moderates, go far left. Eventually enough moderates get kicked out and then they go republican. Then the republicans take over. This happens about every 10 years or so.
    What do you consider "far left"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    But this trend is extremely predictable and happens over and over. Dems win congress. Then they get cocky. They go against the moderates, go far left. Eventually enough moderates get kicked out and then they go republican. Then the republicans take over. This happens about every 10 years or so.
    What do you consider "far left"?
    Probably "anything to the left of Nixon"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    Finish him! Of course the DCCC has a long history of not supporting progressives, so it is not like any of this is new. I suspect Lipinski will fall as women turn out at the polls to vote against politicians that have not been supporting important women's issues. This is going to be an ongoing battle for a number of future election cycles.
    You seem to be quite obsessed about this idea of female vote.

    In any case, it's not a good idea if Democrats fill Congress with the sort of "Bizarro Tea Party" radicals. Four squad members are more than enough! By the way, did you guys hear that Ilhan Omar is getting divorced? I am guessing the reason is that affair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    What do you consider "far left"?
    Anybody supported by AOC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    In list form,
    • Marie Newman is challenging 8-term incumbent Dan Lipinski (D-IL)
    • Jessica Cisneros is challenging 8-term incumbent Henry Cuellar (D-TX)
    • Melanie D'Arrigo is challenging 2-term incumbent Tom Suozzi (D-NY)
    • Alex Morse is challenging 16-term incumbent Richard Neal (D-MA)
    • Mckayla Wilkes and Briana Urbana are challenging 20-term incumbent Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
    • Agatha Bacelar, Shahid Buttar, and Tom Gallagher are challenging 17-term incumbent Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
    What they are basically doing is trying to remove experienced Democrats.

    Also, "Shahid"? That's what Arabs call suicide bombers and other dead terrorists.


    Mckayla Wilkes Is Trying To Take Down The Second Most Powerful Democrat In The House - "Inspired By AOC, A Young Progressive Woman Is Trying To Take Down The Second Most Powerful Democrat In The House -- Mckayla Wilkes, inspired by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, sees her focus on Medicare for All and the Green New Deal as a way to beat Rep. Steny Hoyer." Briana Urbana is running on essentially the same platform.
    Hopefully they end up canceling each other out. By the way, this McKayla spent time in jail for driving with a suspended license. Very responsible!

    They think Nancy Pelosi of all people is not left-wing enough? That's almost as stupid as Joe Kennedy primarying Markey in the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarhyn View Post

    No. They won't. The reason they took power before was because not enough progressives were driving the party, and country, left. People started to see both parties as the same, and the youth of America continued to stay home because the party continued to ignore their needs.

    The way to keep conservatives out of power is not mythical 'moderates'.

    "Why vote, both parties are the same, liars and corrupt". That's what keeps republicans in power: failing to actually oppose them, and capitulation to their asymmetrical tactics.
    Jarhyn: you're my favorite poster on this forum. You are the only one to have ever given me neg rep. And I appreciate that! But your weakness is always wanting to push away those who don't 100% agree with your position. Moderates are not the enemy. The real group sending us down the toilet are the far right. We will feel their power greatly over the next 30 years due to the supreme court. Finally, I won't give much credence to the "youth of America" until they start voting. If they can't put down their video games for 30 minutes and vote, we shouldn't bother trying to court them...
    I disagree with both of you and so does Chris Hedges. The real problem with our country is Corporate Totalitarianism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBcOyv8LZ8s&t=35s

    Its been the problem long before Trump and still very much alive today. And of all the democratic candidates, Elizabeth Warren seems to be the only one who has a platform to address the corporate and elite community that now runs the US. For this reason, I think she will be the only person who can compete against Trump.

    The average person does not really care about a fake Russia scandal or a trumped up Bidan scandal. But they sure do care about what will be the end game for the US. If Trump manages to keep the economy from tanking before the next election, Warren will be the only chance to defeat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derec View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie View Post
    Finish him! Of course the DCCC has a long history of not supporting progressives, so it is not like any of this is new. I suspect Lipinski will fall as women turn out at the polls to vote against politicians that have not been supporting important women's issues. This is going to be an ongoing battle for a number of future election cycles.
    You seem to be quite obsessed about this idea of female vote.

    In any case, it's not a good idea if Democrats fill Congress with the sort of "Bizarro Tea Party" radicals. Four squad members are more than enough! By the way, did you guys hear that Ilhan Omar is getting divorced? I am guessing the reason is that affair.
    I am not obsessed. I am simply able to read the various polls and surveys that indicate that women are not supporting Trump or the GOP. It is this rather stark situation that hes Trump's approval ratings hovering over a year now at very low 40's. Women, whether Democrats or Independents will be gunning for the GOP on voting day, and they are going to turn out in large numbers. In 2018, 52% of voters were women, 48% men. The hand writing is on the wall. The GOP has been measured and has been found wanting. Women are not going to stay home on voting day 2020. The big question is not will Trump lose. Trump is gone. It is rather, can the Senate be flipped? And then will the new women voters start sweeping away the blue dog Democrats and start transitioning to a more progressive Democratic party?

    To get votes, the now chastened GOP will have to decide. Cling to the far right, or moderate to more women friendly policies and positions? You on the right wanted a culture war? The right is about to get one. And we are going to see a realignment of Democratic politics that will start in earnest post 2020 election.

    Again, this is something that the polls and surveys indicate is starting to happen now. Pew shows only 31% of women approve of Trump. Another recent poll has 59% of women not supporting Trump or leaning to not supporting Trump. A mighty beast is stirring out their which almost nobody seems to be paying attention to.

    Save a copy of this post and see if I was right come November, 2020.
    Cheerful Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Bosch View Post
    But this trend is extremely predictable and happens over and over. Dems win congress. Then they get cocky. They go against the moderates, go far left. Eventually enough moderates get kicked out and then they go republican. Then the republicans take over. This happens about every 10 years or so.
    What do you consider "far left"?
    That's a difficult question. And it changes depending on where you are and where you live. For example, on this forum I'm considered to be a far right person because I'm extremely pro-business. On another forum I'm considered far left because I'm pro-life and pro-environment. I think that in general moderates are those who are in middle politically: they mostly prefer status quo, fiscally conservative, socially liberal, comfortable with a safety net, want a fair system, and etc. I would describe people on the left as those who are more interested in social justice, want a significantly higher safety net, pro-choice, pro gun regulation, pro union. I would describe those on the right as wanting a smaller safety net, less taxes, less regulation, prolife, pro gun, and etc. IMO: moderates and those on the right and left still support the system. I would describe those on the far right and far left as those who have opinions so far out of the mainstream that they want to dramatically change the system. I would describe far left as those who want a socialist system: means of production owned by the government or the workers. Outlaw incentive. No tolerance of other systems is allowed.

    I've seen polls that state that people who identify with the "far left" represent about 8% of the population. A roughly equal amount equal the "far right". So again, I'd define people who dramatic change to the system as being far left or right or "extremists".

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