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    These Birds of Prey Are Deliberately Setting Forests on Fire

    https://blog.nature.org/science/2018...ead-wildfires/
    Using fire is one of the defining features of modern humans, listed right alongside toolmaking and art in the anthropology textbooks. But it looks like humans aren’t the only species that deliberately manipulates fire to its benefit.

    At least three Australian raptor species intentionally spread wildfires by carrying smoldering branches to unburnt areas, according to a new paper that confirms long-held traditional Aboriginal knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potoooooooo View Post
    https://blog.nature.org/science/2018...ead-wildfires/
    Using fire is one of the defining features of modern humans, listed right alongside toolmaking and art in the anthropology textbooks. But it looks like humans aren’t the only species that deliberately manipulates fire to its benefit.

    At least three Australian raptor species intentionally spread wildfires by carrying smoldering branches to unburnt areas, according to a new paper that confirms long-held traditional Aboriginal knowledge.
    How did i know this was gonna be Australia...

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    Where but the Land Down Under.

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    This is absolutely amazing.

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    It implies some degree of awareness of cause and effect, take these steps and that will happen, and forward thinking. There is fire in that spot, move some of that fire to another location and increase the chances of a successful hunt.

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    Imagine what would happen if they were given Zippos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
    Imagine what would happen if they were given Zippos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    Where but the Land Down Under.
    ... where EVERYTHING tries to kill you, and most of it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBT View Post
    It implies some degree of awareness of cause and effect, take these steps and that will happen, and forward thinking. There is fire in that spot, move some of that fire to another location and increase the chances of a successful hunt.
    but does it, though? Just because the action by the bird causes a positive outcome for the bird may not mean the bird is planning, or even remotely aware of the causality. There may be no "plan" here... in fact, the article suggests it may be the case that the (extremely rare event of) picking up of a burning branch is an accident.. a case of misidentification.. wanted prey.. got stick.. drop stick.

    I often struggle with this notion as it pertains to my pets. Are they being cute or funny because they know they are.. or is it a random accident? Is my cat emotionally attached to me, or is my lap just the warmest spot in the house at the moment?

    How can we really ever know?

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    Oh I dunno. Cat stares while you signal various invites for him to come up to your lap. Then a long pause and jump to your lap. After about three bouts of this drill cat begins to just jump up on your lap without wait and see. Explain that behavior outside of law of association.

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