Sure, I'm not making any argument here, I'm just replying to a question. Pragmatics, remember?

I'm not interested proving mathematical logic is junk or that you are wrong. You will be aware that the entirety of the subject probably necessitates more than 10 volumes of one thousand pages each! Life is short and I have no reason to make it a study of the stupidity of other people, particularly when they go in herds of millions. I am interested to see how unbiased souls understand the logical import of everyday sentences. It is somewhat unfortunate that each time I tried to have a decent conversation, the mathematical-logic schooled posters here sort of hijack my thread and boss around other posters, asserting with the typical authority of the ignoramus that they know what is valid and what is not. I grant you that you are making more interesting contributions to the subject, which is a definite improvements on the competition, but the fact remains I won't try to convince you your beliefs in the matter are junk. Remember, you are millions sharing the same dogma and these millions are literally everywhere on the Internet. If you could justify that the mathematical logic take on "all" and "some" that you have advocated was correct, I would be interested, but you obviously cannot do that. Even looking at your explanations about the reasons underpinning how mathematical logic works in this respect confirms my views that it is wrong, though, again, I won't explain. Logic didn't wait for mathematicians to take an interest. Aristotle described for the first time the logic of human beings 2,500 years ago, only partially of course, but he did a great job, and many philosophers are still happy to use Aristotelian logic. It is only in the 19th century that mathematicians started to work on mathematical logic. So, at the very least, you should learn to make the distinction between logic generally and mathematical logic. You are free to believe without foundation that mathematical logic is part of logic, something I scoff at myself, but any claim mathematical logic is all there is to logic would be just a blatant and disgraceful lie.

Still, you're doing well here.

EB