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    !0 Commandments versus a legal system

    A legal system like in the west is not necessarily about morality and justice. It is about maintaining order.o
    In the time of Moses although stated as from god, it is really a social legal system.

    It promotes order. No adultery or fornication which can lead to conflict. Do not lie or steal, again all about order. Do not bare false witness or make false accusation, again promotes social order and stability.

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    Why do you single out the West?
    I think legal systems in the West -- and i assume you're talking about Europe and the Americas -- tend to be based on abstract principles of fairness and idealism than those in the ancient world. That's not to say this veneer isn't fragile. If people feel threatened or insecure, the desire for order, convention and predictability can still override principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seyorni View Post
    Why do you single out the West?
    I think legal systems in the West -- and i assume you're talking about Europe and the Americas -- tend to be based on abstract principles of fairness and idealism than those in the ancient world. That's not to say this veneer isn't fragile. If people feel threatened or insecure, the desire for order, convention and predictability can still override principle.
    Fairness and legal systems are not the same.

    sometimes the obliviously guilty go free because of the way the system works. A system of fixed rules and imperfect people can never be perfect. Sometimes the innocent are convicted. It is about a system that maintains order over chaos and individual justice.

    The obvious flip side is the Philippines where the president had been involved in extrajudicial killing of criminals. Or the Argentine death squads. Or Iran and Saudi Arabia.

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    Fair, sides, what the hay. Systems to survive need correcting processes. What was fair when women were property isn't fair when women are persons. Correcting processes need be in place to bring legal systems up to current specification of 'fair' and what constitutes 'sides'. Those processes need be adjusted for current conditions and current problems and they need to be constituted demanding continuous process improvement.

    Pointing at others, the philippines for instance, is not one of those processes. Processes need be based on evidence of performance which is continuously updated for drivers and consequences using widely agreed to procedures.

    Since this is a morality thread one must first accept that morality is an evolving thing not some etched in stone construct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    A legal system like in the west is not necessarily about morality and justice. It is about maintaining order.o
    In the time of Moses although stated as from god, it is really a social legal system.

    It promotes order. No adultery or fornication which can lead to conflict. Do not lie or steal, again all about order. Do not bare false witness or make false accusation, again promotes social order and stability.
    We possess two versions of the Decalogue, but both are part of the actual legal codes of the ancient House of Israel such as they were during the nearly-theocratic Second Temple period. It's not surprising that they have a legal feel.

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