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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    I want peace and prosperity for everyone.
    There ya go.
    Problem solved.
    Religion is one of the major causes of war. A planet of atheists would be a lot more peaceful.


    History doesn't support your assertion. Remember Mao and Stalin's anti religious regimes? Millions of their own citizens murdered.

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    When Christian France fights Christian England, it must be because of religion.

    When communist/Marxist despots enforce State-sponsored atheism at the barrel of a gun that's obviously nothing to do with religion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    When Christian France fights Christian England, it must be because of religion.

    When communist/Marxist despots enforce State-sponsored atheism at the barrel of a gun that's obviously nothing to do with religion.

    It's all group identity worship, us vs. them tribalism. Some tribes are more consuming than others. We can talk about why that is if you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Floof View Post
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    When Christian France fights Christian England, it must be because of religion.

    When communist/Marxist despots enforce State-sponsored atheism at the barrel of a gun that's obviously nothing to do with religion.

    It's all group identity worship, us vs. them tribalism. Some tribes are more consuming than others. We can talk about why that is if you like.
    Our secular constitution is directly attributable to inter-religious fanaticism, persecution and corruption throughout Europe. We didn't want any more real kings or pretend kings either. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Person View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    I want peace and prosperity for everyone.
    There ya go.
    Problem solved.
    Religion is one of the major causes of war. A planet of atheists would be a lot more peaceful.
    History doesn't support your assertion. Remember Mao and Stalin's anti religious regimes? Millions of their own citizens murdered.
    I do not consider either of them atheist. Rather, both were subscribers to the religion of communism. To me, the fundamental characteristic of a religion is a set of core beliefs that are taken on faith and no challenge is permitted. Deities are not required (Buddhism is certainly a religion and has no deity--the Buddha is an ideal towards which you strive, he is not a god.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    When Christian France fights Christian England, it must be because of religion.

    When communist/Marxist despots enforce State-sponsored atheism at the barrel of a gun that's obviously nothing to do with religion.

    Neither enforced state-sponsored atheism, at a barrel of a gun or otherwise. Rather, both said they were the highest authority. Putting your religion above the state was unacceptable. Religions that do not attempt to assert such authority were not interfered with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    When Christian France fights Christian England, it must be because of religion.

    When communist/Marxist despots enforce State-sponsored atheism at the barrel of a gun that's obviously nothing to do with religion.

    Neither enforced state-sponsored atheism, at a barrel of a gun or otherwise. Rather, both said they were the highest authority. Putting your religion above the state was unacceptable. Religions that do not attempt to assert such authority were not interfered with.
    Just like in Nazi Germany, religion was the authoritarian model and the ultimate license to kill your avowed enemy in the name of your god. The Nazis, as Christians, killed Jews and whomever they considered inferior. They were doing nothing that wasn't blessed and encouraged in their bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lion IRC View Post
    When Christian France fights Christian England, it must be because of religion.

    When communist/Marxist despots enforce State-sponsored atheism at the barrel of a gun that's obviously nothing to do with religion.

    I know "Onward Christian Soldier"... but how does the Atheist one go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel View Post
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    History doesn't support your assertion. Remember Mao and Stalin's anti religious regimes? Millions of their own citizens murdered.
    I do not consider either of them atheist. Rather, both were subscribers to the religion of communism. To me, the fundamental characteristic of a religion is a set of core beliefs that are taken on faith and no challenge is permitted. Deities are not required (Buddhism is certainly a religion and has no deity--the Buddha is an ideal towards which you strive, he is not a god.)
    Ah, then there have never been any religious massacres attributable to major faiths. I mean if we're playing shell games, there's always something to shift blame to. The Nazis weren't Christians, they were the "religion of fascism". Thr Crusades weren't about Christianity they were because of the "religion of papism". The Irish don't kill Catholics or Protestants, it's the "religion of nativism" vs the "religion of imperialism". What a handy rhetorical device you've discovered!

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