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    What will happen from the impeachment?

    When the Senate goes to vote (assuming they do), what will happen as a consequence?

    Since they need a super majority to convict, they won't get it. I think some Republicans may give in to appear to be patriots but not be disloyal to Trump. So, their compromise may be to agree to a censure, but a nothingburger censure saying that Trump had the appearance of conflict of interest.

    BUT what's your opinion of how the Senate will vote?

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    I think the worst that will happen for Trump is that the Senate will have a majority to convict, but not a super-majority. And I'm not even certain we'll get that much.

    As per the norm, the White House is obstructing justice by keeping Mulvaney, Pompeo, Perry and others from testifying.

    Trump is guilty as hell, but short of Trump having in his hands, a receipt indicating $391 million in military aid... cost... one television interview announcing investigation into Biden by Ukrainian President, they are going to be nothing but partisan.

    This is maddening, after having to live through the entire Special Prosecutor bullshit during the Clinton Administration. 50 Republican Senators voted that Clinton committed an act of obstruction of justice in that farce. And we'll see the GOP commit to another farce.

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    Nicole Wallace wrapping up the MSNBC Impeachment coverage (from memory, inexact quote):

    "I used to say it all the time off the air during the Mueller investigation - It's going to take a dead Russian hooker at the bottom of the bed for the Republicans to change their minds. But now ... they'll say she died of natural causes."

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    This is just the investigation. It's not the actual impeachment.

    IMO, it's extremely important that the investigation move to impeachment trial and in this case, hopefully conviction.

    Here are the steps:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._United_States
    At the federal level, the impeachment process is a three-step procedure.

    First, the Congress investigates. This investigation typically begins in the House Judiciary Committee, but may begin elsewhere. For example, the Nixon impeachment inquiry began in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The facts that led to impeachment of Bill Clinton were first discovered in the course of an investigation by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.
    Second, the House of Representatives must pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached".
    Third, the Senate tries the accused. In the case of the impeachment of a president, the Chief Justice of the United States presides over the proceedings. For the impeachment of any other official, the Constitution is silent on who shall preside, suggesting that this role falls to the Senate's usual presiding officer, the President of the Senate who is also the Vice President of the United States. Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote of those present. The result of conviction is removal from office.
    We're at Step 1 now.

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    “ Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote of those present. ”


    It is possible those Republicans seeking cover will not be present. If 14 don’t show, then only 5 need to cross the aisle, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    “ Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote of those present. ”


    It is possible those Republicans seeking cover will not be present. If 14 don’t show, then only 5 need to cross the aisle, for example.
    *perks up, depression lightening just a little bit....* I'd call it a longshot, but I'll take all the hope I can get!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    “ Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote of those present. ”


    It is possible those Republicans seeking cover will not be present. If 14 don’t show, then only 5 need to cross the aisle, for example.
    I doubt Roberts would allow it and McConnell is in charge, so that ain't happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    “ Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote of those present. ”


    It is possible those Republicans seeking cover will not be present. If 14 don’t show, then only 5 need to cross the aisle, for example.
    I doubt Roberts would allow it and McConnell is in charge, so that ain't happening.
    I don't think republicans generally want Roberts to preside over this thing. He's the republican appointee turncoat that said Obamacare is constitutional. Lots of republicans, particularly the diehard fascists, hate Roberts with the same amount of venom they hate Clinton. It's as if Hillary will be presiding over proceedings in the senate. This is not something Senate republicans want to come about and is why they are fighting so hard to see that it does not happen. They don't control Roberts and they know it.

    Trumpo and his lieutenants will target him next if it goes to the Senate so it's gotta go to the Senate if for no other reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.G.G. Moogly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Higgins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    “ Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote of those present. ”


    It is possible those Republicans seeking cover will not be present. If 14 don’t show, then only 5 need to cross the aisle, for example.
    I doubt Roberts would allow it and McConnell is in charge, so that ain't happening.
    I don't think republicans generally want Roberts to preside over this thing. He's the republican appointee turncoat that said Obamacare is constitutional. Lots of republicans, particularly the diehard fascists, hate Roberts with the same amount of venom they hate Clinton. It's as if Hillary will be presiding over proceedings in the senate. This is not something Senate republicans want to come about and is why they are fighting so hard to see that it does not happen. They don't control Roberts and they know it.

    Trumpo and his lieutenants will target him next if it goes to the Senate so it's gotta go to the Senate if for no other reason.
    Roberts is the least of their worries. It is the moderate Republicans (the two or three in the Senate) that can help provide a majority vote. It won't boot Trump from the White House, but the optics of the Democrat impeachment receiving a majority vote in the Senate isn't good. The GOP have enough issues trying to spin what is public record now, forget trying to spin losing a majority vote in the Senate while holding the majority of seats.

    The Democrats need four votes in the Senate. Sen. Collins is doomed to losing in Maine, so she seems likely. Sen. Windsock in Utah definitely is a threat, but as we know, he is a windsock and changes his position every second of the day, in fact I bet he could vote 'present', if allowed. I'd say Sen. Doug Jones (D) is a dead man walking so he is free to vote appropriately. Sen. Cory Gardner is on the edge and likely facing a major uphill battle in Colorado, so he is up in the air. Sen. Tillis in North Carolina appears to be tacking to the right. Sen. McSally appears to be doing likewise, which will likely end her short Senate career. This leaves us with Sen. Ernst... who isn't looking at an uphill battle for re-election, but it isn't a cake walk either. So there are 5 or 6 votes that could potentially be up in the air.

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    Here's why nothing will happen:

    “Democrats' 'crumbling' impeachment inquiry 'reeks of political desperation'”

    That’s the Fox News headline for today.

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