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    It seems that many evangelicals are cocky and evasive as well...

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    There has been discussion in the media over the Christian paper supporting impeachment. From Evangelicals themselves he majority of Evangelicals frame al issues through the bible, even immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    There has been discussion in the media over the Christian paper supporting impeachment. From Evangelicals themselves he majority of Evangelicals frame al issues through the bible, even immigration.
    If they framed immigration with "the Bible" they would have very different positions on it. This is not a point on which the Scriptures are vague, ambiguous, or contradictory. "You must love the alien in your midst, for you were foreigners in Egypt".

    At best, evangelicals pay lip service to the Bible, they despise its philosophies and neatly everything it would demand of them. They are the white washed tombs where literate theology goes to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    There has been discussion in the media over the Christian paper supporting impeachment. From Evangelicals themselves he majority of Evangelicals frame al issues through the bible, even immigration.
    A lot of Bible interpretation looks like making the Bible seem like it's in one's moral likeness.

    Jesus Christ the social worker, JC the entrepreneur, JC the poor person, JC the rich person, JC the pacifist, JC the militant, JC the Jew, JC the opponent of Jews, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
    There has been discussion in the media over the Christian paper supporting impeachment. From Evangelicals themselves he majority of Evangelicals frame al issues through the bible, even immigration.
    If they framed immigration with "the Bible" they would have very different positions on it. This is not a point on which the Scriptures are vague, ambiguous, or contradictory. "You must love the alien in your midst, for you were foreigners in Egypt".

    At best, evangelicals pay lip service to the Bible, they despise its philosophies and neatly everything it would demand of them. They are the white washed tombs where literate theology goes to die.
    You really, really do not understand. The majority conservative evangelicals use scripture as a context for everything, liberally.

    In one instance they may cite 'a tooth for a tooth' in another 'turn the other cheek'. You can find anjustification for anything in the bible, as Ipetrich pointed out.

    If you have been around them enough you would know.

    And of course you can say they are not really Christians, but then what is a Christian? To answer that any number of interpretations are possible. Regardless of morality anyone can claim to be Christian. One can wear a cross while fornicating, which Jesus lumped with murder. The gospel Jesus left nothing clear in the gospels as to what that would mean. Understandable seeing as he was a Jew quoting Jewish prophets and law and preaching to Jews.

    Christianity was a later invention. A better name is Paulism.

    Evangelicals I believe are an invention going back to the 17th or 18th century.

    'Pagan Christian' is an invention.

    Christianity WAS A GENTILE CREATION FOSTERD BY pAUL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
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    There has been discussion in the media over the Christian paper supporting impeachment. From Evangelicals themselves he majority of Evangelicals frame al issues through the bible, even immigration.
    If they framed immigration with "the Bible" they would have very different positions on it. This is not a point on which the Scriptures are vague, ambiguous, or contradictory. "You must love the alien in your midst, for you were foreigners in Egypt".

    At best, evangelicals pay lip service to the Bible, they despise its philosophies and neatly everything it would demand of them. They are the white washed tombs where literate theology goes to die.
    You really, really do not understand. The majority conservative evangelicals use scripture as a context for everything, liberally.

    In one instance they may cite 'a tooth for a tooth' in another 'turn the other cheek'. You can find anjustification for anything in the bible, as Ipetrich pointed out.

    If you have been around them enough you would know.

    And of course you can say they are not really Christians, but then what is a Christian? To answer that any number of interpretations are possible. Regardless of morality anyone can claim to be Christian. One can wear a cross while fornicating, which Jesus lumped with murder. The gospel Jesus left nothing clear in the gospels as to what that would mean. Understandable seeing as he was a Jew quoting Jewish prophets and law and preaching to Jews.

    Christianity was a later invention. A better name is Paulism.

    Evangelicals I believe are an invention going back to the 17th or 18th century.

    'Pagan Christian' is an invention.

    Christianity WAS A GENTILE CREATION FOSTERD BY pAUL.
    Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I haven't met them. How on earth could any American manage to avoid meeting any evangelicals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post

    You really, really do not understand. The majority conservative evangelicals use scripture as a context for everything, liberally.

    In one instance they may cite 'a tooth for a tooth' in another 'turn the other cheek'. You can find anjustification for anything in the bible, as Ipetrich pointed out.

    If you have been around them enough you would know.

    And of course you can say they are not really Christians, but then what is a Christian? To answer that any number of interpretations are possible. Regardless of morality anyone can claim to be Christian. One can wear a cross while fornicating, which Jesus lumped with murder. The gospel Jesus left nothing clear in the gospels as to what that would mean. Understandable seeing as he was a Jew quoting Jewish prophets and law and preaching to Jews.

    Christianity was a later invention. A better name is Paulism.

    Evangelicals I believe are an invention going back to the 17th or 18th century.

    'Pagan Christian' is an invention.

    Christianity WAS A GENTILE CREATION FOSTERD BY pAUL.
    Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I haven't met them. How on earth could any American manage to avoid meeting any evangelicals?
    I have been to an evangelical private meeting. Talking in tongues, visions, laying hands faith healing. God is the causation of every experience and happening in their lives. I did some contract work for an evangelical entrepreur who got into some trouble on his project. His wife assured me god had sent me to help them, god alwys does.

    They substituted prayer for planning.There were technical and other problems close to a trade show. They went on a trip to Hawaii. Before the trip mother, father, daughter, and son joined hands praying god and Jesus would work things out for them.

    That is a true believer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_bank View Post

    You really, really do not understand. The majority conservative evangelicals use scripture as a context for everything, liberally.

    In one instance they may cite 'a tooth for a tooth' in another 'turn the other cheek'. You can find anjustification for anything in the bible, as Ipetrich pointed out.

    If you have been around them enough you would know.

    And of course you can say they are not really Christians, but then what is a Christian? To answer that any number of interpretations are possible. Regardless of morality anyone can claim to be Christian. One can wear a cross while fornicating, which Jesus lumped with murder. The gospel Jesus left nothing clear in the gospels as to what that would mean. Understandable seeing as he was a Jew quoting Jewish prophets and law and preaching to Jews.

    Christianity was a later invention. A better name is Paulism.

    Evangelicals I believe are an invention going back to the 17th or 18th century.

    'Pagan Christian' is an invention.

    Christianity WAS A GENTILE CREATION FOSTERD BY pAUL.
    Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I haven't met them. How on earth could any American manage to avoid meeting any evangelicals?
    I have been to an evangelical private meeting. Talking in tongues, visions, laying hands faith healing. God is the causation of every experience and happening in their lives. I did some contract work for an evangelical entrepreur who got into some trouble on his project. His wife assured me god had sent me to help them, god alwys does.

    They substituted prayer for planning.There were technical and other problems close to a trade show. They went on a trip to Hawaii. Before the trip mother, father, daughter, and son joined hands praying god and Jesus would work things out for them.

    That is a true believer.
    That sounds more like a Pentecostal meeting actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Politesse View Post
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    I have been to an evangelical private meeting. Talking in tongues, visions, laying hands faith healing. God is the causation of every experience and happening in their lives. I did some contract work for an evangelical entrepreur who got into some trouble on his project. His wife assured me god had sent me to help them, god alwys does.

    They substituted prayer for planning.There were technical and other problems close to a trade show. They went on a trip to Hawaii. Before the trip mother, father, daughter, and son joined hands praying god and Jesus would work things out for them.

    That is a true believer.
    That sounds more like a Pentecostal meeting actually.
    You are either a true believer or you are not. God does or does not exist. If you are a be liver you belie in the supernatural. God knows who you are. And so on. The biblical god is or is not. Jesus did or did not rise from the dead. There is no middle ground.

    You can be an intellectual Christian and dance around the issues, IMO that is disingenuous.

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    Its not as if anything bad can happen to you in Hawaii. Try taking a trip to Iran and relying on the power of prayer.

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