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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Thank you, southernhybrid... To be clear, I am not saying that women can not be leaders or are not leaders.. I am only hosting the discussion about the article and offering observations. I appreciate your contribution.

    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post

    I will say this. Sometimes women aren't as supportive of each other as we should be. We need to learn to be more like bonobos and less like chimps. When women unite, we can be an incredible force. So watch out!
    When men get together socially, they call each other, "Boss".. "Chief".. "Brother"... "You the MAN! NO.. YOU the MAN"

    When women get together socially, they call each other, "Bitches".. "Slut"..

    Maybe start with that?
    Maybe watch less reality tv? Because that's not a world I've ever witnessed or been part of. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
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    Here is an relevant interesting PEW survey on how people view male and female leaders. Below is just one interesting result that contradicts Gun Nut's claim that most women have a bigger problem with women leaders.
    Well, I certainly wasn't doing science when I commented on and characterized my own observations on the topic. I'm just one data point.

    You didn't just describe your own observations. You predicted that "100%" of women would conform to your experience that women have a bigger problem with other women. I know your prediction wasn't based upon science or upon any rational thinking about how your own experience relates to general reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Originally Posted by OLDMAN
    It is strange but I think women have a harder time with women leaders idea than men do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    A lot of women don't think that. So you may be making an error in your conclusion. Maybe men think that women think that?
    The study showed that both males and females almost unanimously depicted males as leaders.
    for this record, this conflicts with Oldman's claim, that men will more easily accept a female leader than women will.

    In my personal experience, women are FAR more concerned with other women making decisions that affect them than other men making those decisions.
    up until very recently, all women hated most other women far more frequently than hating any other man.. again, in my experience.
    You're absolutely off your rocker here. It is unequivocal that women do not, in general (and certainly not "all women") have more male friends than female ones.



    Ask your female spouse or closest friend who in their day to day lives (people they actually interact with) they hate. I wager 100% of them are females.
    Was this intended to be funny? I mean, if so, HA HA.

    If it was intended to be serious - I have a male spouse, because I'm a woman.
    I have more female friends than male friends.
    Also, I'm over 50 years old, so I have a good bit of anecdotal evidence.
    Moreover, I'm a woman manager.
    Who works for a woman.
    Whose second level boss is also a woman.
    We are all female engineers in a male-dominated field.
    I have both men and women working for me.
    I have worked for both men and women.
    I'm active in the Society of Women Engineers, as well as other non-gendered professional societies.
    I am active particularly in the field of career guidance to my professional peers.

    So thanks for the man-splainin' to this women who REGULARLY talks to women about the workplace, this woman who wrote a paper on and held seminars for women in the workplace.
    May I suggest that my sample size is a shitload bigger and more scientific than yours?
    You could learn something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Thank you, southernhybrid... To be clear, I am not saying that women can not be leaders or are not leaders.. I am only hosting the discussion about the article and offering observations. I appreciate your contribution.

    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post

    I will say this. Sometimes women aren't as supportive of each other as we should be. We need to learn to be more like bonobos and less like chimps. When women unite, we can be an incredible force. So watch out!
    When men get together socially, they call each other, "Boss".. "Chief".. "Brother"... "You the MAN! NO.. YOU the MAN"

    When women get together socially, they call each other, "Bitches".. "Slut"..

    Maybe start with that?
    What???
    How often are you among women who do this? You need new friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Thank you, southernhybrid... To be clear, I am not saying that women can not be leaders or are not leaders.. I am only hosting the discussion about the article and offering observations. I appreciate your contribution.

    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post

    I will say this. Sometimes women aren't as supportive of each other as we should be. We need to learn to be more like bonobos and less like chimps. When women unite, we can be an incredible force. So watch out!
    When men get together socially, they call each other, "Boss".. "Chief".. "Brother"... "You the MAN! NO.. YOU the MAN"

    When women get together socially, they call each other, "Bitches".. "Slut"..

    Maybe start with that?
    Was that serious or were you joking? When southern women get together, we call each other honey, or sweetheart. And, black southern women usually refer to female friends as love or baby. I have a few black friends that have called me love or baby. I don't remember even being around women who called each other bitches or sluts. If you're not joking, is this a generational thing or a regional thing?

    My husband said that when men get together, they call each other bud or by their names. ( I just asked him ) I thought Bro was urban slang term, mostly a black man thing. Or have white men appropriated the term too.

    But seriously, my female friends have never referred to each other or any woman as a bitch or slut. There have been a few times when we might refer to some hateful woman as a bitch once in awhile when gossiping, but I've never heard anyone use the term slut to refer to another woman. And, to be honest, most of the women I know don't use the term bitch to describe another woman. And slut? Are you serious? That term is so old school and foreign sounding to me. Is this a regional thing, maybe?

    Maybe I just have too much class to think of other women in the way you've described. Do you honestly know women who talk that way to and about each other?

    Now that I think about it, it's the men who are often sluts. As a woman I promise you that is true. Otherwise, we wouldn't have to deal with getting hit on by those sluts throughout our lives. Yes. Well into old age, women get hit on by male sluts. Okay. I'm going a bit off topic. Sorry about that......
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    What she writes is true Toni. Acquaintance of mine back in the day of pop canning in Portland after tour in Navy, 1965, suggested we hit senior dance centers to pick up mature, very mature, ancient, women. I'll bet he, if he's still with us 55 years on, is doing so to this very day.

    In fact this is such a common tendency among male sluts that because of him and my dad, 15 years older than my mom, are probably why bride and I are the same age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Thank you, southernhybrid... To be clear, I am not saying that women can not be leaders or are not leaders.. I am only hosting the discussion about the article and offering observations. I appreciate your contribution.

    Quote Originally Posted by southernhybrid View Post

    I will say this. Sometimes women aren't as supportive of each other as we should be. We need to learn to be more like bonobos and less like chimps. When women unite, we can be an incredible force. So watch out!
    When men get together socially, they call each other, "Boss".. "Chief".. "Brother"... "You the MAN! NO.. YOU the MAN"

    When women get together socially, they call each other, "Bitches".. "Slut"..

    Maybe start with that?
    What???
    How often are you among women who do this? You need new friends.
    I think it was Tina Fey that my wife and I were watching who made that observation. We thought it was hilarious... alot of people think she's hilarious... and a good comic. because random things that have no bearing on reality are so funny . Maybe it's a regional thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Draw a picture of a leader
    Maybe it's just my Welsh heritage, but...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Nut View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea View Post

    What???
    How often are you among women who do this? You need new friends.
    I think it was Tina Fey that my wife and I were watching who made that observation. We thought it was hilarious... alot of people think she's hilarious... and a good comic. because random things that have no bearing on reality are so funny . Maybe it's a regional thing.
    OMG You really think that women talk to and about each other like fictional rich high school girl characters in Mean Girls?

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    My daughter, a born leader, 30 years ago blew off being a Songleader when one of the members told her she should consider it an honor to be invited to a party by a football player at Taft HS in Woodland Hills CA. Only two joined her. Sometimes refusing Male Kool Aide is pretty hard. Definite born leader.

    Yeah she's from the same valley where Malls actually become Totally Tubular at christmas, where the Valley Girl originated. Oh and there are earthquakes there. The Valley is poster child for calling the seasons Fire, Flood, Earthquake, and Riot. Best place in the world to raise a brilliant, talented, strong minded, loving child.

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